A log of the IRC channel used during the Institutional Web Management Workshop 2005
is given below.
| Jul 06 00:09:47 <undefined>foo |
| Jul 06 00:09:57 ---undefined is now known as Greg |
| Jul 06 00:10:05 <Greg>fii |
| Jul 06 00:10:37 <Greg>anybody home? |
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| Jul 06 00:57:24 <CGI355>foo |
| Jul 06 00:57:36 <CGI355>:-P |
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| Jul 06 01:56:31 -->greg (522149e4@rox-F526CC2.bath.ac.uk) has joined #iwmw-2005 |
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| Jul 06 01:58:53 <CGI173>foo |
| Jul 06 01:59:00 ---CGI173 is now known as Greg |
| Jul 06 02:00:02 <Greg>:-P |
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| Jul 06 11:11:34 -->BrianK (8a26c06f@rox-F526CC2.bath.ac.uk) has joined #iwmw-2005 |
| Jul 06 11:13:09 <BrianK>Hello world |
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| Jul 06 11:13:32 -->BrianK (c24217ac@rox-F526CC2.bath.ac.uk) has joined #iwmw-2005 |
| Jul 06 11:14:36 <BrianK>testing |
| Jul 06 11:36:53 -->EmTonkin (8258d132@rox-F526CC2.bath.ac.uk) has joined #iwmw-2005 |
| Jul 06 11:37:10 <EmTonkin>Testing? |
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| Jul 06 11:38:20 -->CGI473 (8258d132@rox-F526CC2.bath.ac.uk) has joined #iwmw-2005 |
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| Jul 06 11:52:05 -->savs (8258d132@rox-F526CC2.bath.ac.uk) has joined #iwmw-2005 |
| Jul 06 11:52:10 <savs>Hello Brian! |
| Jul 06 11:52:11 <EmTonkin>well hello :-) |
| Jul 06 11:52:19 <savs>ah, no brian |
| Jul 06 11:52:24 <savs>Hello EmTonkin ;-) |
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| Jul 06 11:56:05 -->EmTonkin (8258d132@rox-F526CC2.bath.ac.uk) has joined #iwmw-2005 |
| Jul 06 11:56:09 <EmTonkin>That's better |
| Jul 06 11:56:16 <EmTonkin>silly *"(*&£"!! irc server |
| Jul 06 11:56:24 <EmTonkin>'maxclients' was set to five from one IP |
| Jul 06 11:56:55 -->CGI333 (8258d132@rox-F526CC2.bath.ac.uk) has joined #iwmw-2005 |
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| Jul 06 11:57:45 <EmTonkin>Testing testing 1 2 3 :-) |
| Jul 06 11:58:10 <CGI932>testing (ditto) |
| Jul 06 11:58:11 <savs>brb |
| Jul 06 11:58:15 <EmTonkin>excellent! |
| Jul 06 11:58:20 <CGI932>:) |
| Jul 06 11:58:20 <savs>what port's this on? 8080? |
| Jul 06 11:58:26 <EmTonkin>err... |
| Jul 06 11:58:46 <EmTonkin>the actual irc server is behind the UKOLN firewall... |
| Jul 06 11:58:49 <savs>or, put another way, any idea what ports -are- open? ;-) |
| Jul 06 11:58:55 <savs>(want to set up an ssh tunnel) |
| Jul 06 11:59:09 <EmTonkin>ah... the irc server itself is on port 6667 |
| Jul 06 11:59:37 <EmTonkin>if you can ssh tunnel into the ukoln network, you can point to that from 6667 on localhost and it 'ought to' work |
| Jul 06 11:59:39 -->CGI144 (8258d132@rox-F526CC2.bath.ac.uk) has joined #iwmw-2005 |
| Jul 06 12:00:54 <CGI144>Excellent - got this working |
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| Jul 06 12:01:22 -->MilesB (8258d132@rox-F526CC2.bath.ac.uk) has joined #iwmw-2005 |
| Jul 06 12:01:23 <CGI932>ttfn |
| Jul 06 12:01:48 <MilesB>Bysie Bye - catch you later |
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| Jul 06 12:02:01 -->EmTonkin (8258d132@rox-F526CC2.bath.ac.uk) has joined #iwmw-2005 |
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| Jul 06 12:02:17 <EmTonkin>That was interesting... it seems the conference wifi logged me out |
| Jul 06 12:02:35 <savs>skype doesn't want to play ... |
| Jul 06 12:02:44 <savs>ah, there we go |
| Jul 06 12:03:25 <EmTonkin>so many technologies, so slow a typing speed :O |
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| Jul 06 12:11:55 <EmTonkin>Testing... |
| Jul 06 12:12:32 <EmTonkin>Here comes Brian again...? |
| Jul 06 12:13:13 -->BrianKelly (c13c9934@rox-F526CC2.bath.ac.uk) has joined #iwmw-2005 |
| Jul 06 12:13:13 -->Sarika_R (8258d132@rox-F526CC2.bath.ac.uk) has joined #iwmw-2005 |
| Jul 06 12:13:17 <EmTonkin>Yay! |
| Jul 06 12:13:17 -->ajs (c2421769@rox-F526CC2.bath.ac.uk) has joined #iwmw-2005 |
| Jul 06 12:13:19 <EmTonkin>hello Brian! |
| Jul 06 12:13:31 <ajs>no, andrew savory |
| Jul 06 12:13:36 ---ajs is now known as AndrewSavory |
| Jul 06 12:13:43 <EmTonkin>you can change your name with /NICK |
| Jul 06 12:13:46 <AndrewSavory>type /nick FooBar |
| Jul 06 12:13:48 <EmTonkin>as in /nick Emma |
| Jul 06 12:13:51 ---EmTonkin is now known as EmmaTest |
| Jul 06 12:13:54 ---EmmaTest is now known as EmTonkin |
| Jul 06 12:14:34 <EmTonkin>you are being logged :) |
| Jul 06 12:14:48 -->CGI112 (8258d132@rox-F526CC2.bath.ac.uk) has joined #iwmw-2005 |
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| Jul 06 12:15:04 <AndrewSavory>EmTonkin: is the ukoln irc server accessible to the outside world with regular clients? |
| Jul 06 12:15:10 <EmTonkin>alas, no... |
| Jul 06 12:15:10 -->DavidCupit (8258d132@rox-F526CC2.bath.ac.uk) has joined #iwmw-2005 |
| Jul 06 12:15:18 <AndrewSavory>ok, never mind |
| Jul 06 12:15:19 <--CGI112 (8258d132@rox-F526CC2.bath.ac.uk) has left #iwmw-2005 |
| Jul 06 12:15:20 <EmTonkin>I am going to have to persuade UKOLN to open the port with password |
| Jul 06 12:15:28 <EmTonkin>but it isn't an easy sell in these paranoid days |
| Jul 06 12:15:35 <Greg_Tourte>mind if I join in? |
| Jul 06 12:15:45 <EmTonkin>oh feel free! the more the merrier |
| Jul 06 12:15:58 <Greg_Tourte>hello!:-) |
| Jul 06 12:16:06 -->Steeley (c242166e@rox-F526CC2.bath.ac.uk) has joined #iwmw-2005 |
| Jul 06 12:16:14 -->MichaelWilcox (c242176a@rox-F526CC2.bath.ac.uk) has joined #iwmw-2005 |
| Jul 06 12:16:15 <EmTonkin>introduce yourself, greg... |
| Jul 06 12:16:19 ---Steeley is now known as Stuart-Steele |
| Jul 06 12:16:31 ---Stuart-Steele is now known as STuart_Steele |
| Jul 06 12:16:36 -->CGI894 (c242179f@rox-F526CC2.bath.ac.uk) has joined #iwmw-2005 |
| Jul 06 12:17:00 <CGI894>can I use chatzilla to get here? it asks me what network to attach to |
| Jul 06 12:17:05 <EmTonkin>sadly not :( |
| Jul 06 12:17:12 <Greg_Tourte>I am Greg Tourte (as my nick siggests). I am one of the system administrators at UKOLN |
| Jul 06 12:17:21 <EmTonkin>greg, can you have a chat with andy about whether we could open one of the IRC ports for a while? |
| Jul 06 12:17:25 <CGI894>so the only way is to use this cgi thing? |
| Jul 06 12:17:27 <EmTonkin>it would be really handy |
| Jul 06 12:17:28 <Greg_Tourte>ok |
| Jul 06 12:17:34 <EmTonkin>we can password it... |
| Jul 06 12:17:47 <STuart_Steele>apparently so |
| Jul 06 12:17:49 <EmTonkin>at the moment the only way is the cgi thing |
| Jul 06 12:18:01 <Greg_Tourte>ok. |
| Jul 06 12:18:06 <EmTonkin>it could be worse... it could be IRCII |
| Jul 06 12:18:12 <Greg_Tourte>I am asking bucs to open the port |
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| Jul 06 12:18:15 <CGI894>i feel funny. i have never used irc before. when does the rash start |
| Jul 06 12:18:16 <EmTonkin>cool |
| Jul 06 12:18:17 <AndrewSavory>yup, if 6667 was open we could use desktop clients, which is less stress on the webserver ... |
| Jul 06 12:18:20 <EmTonkin>yes |
| Jul 06 12:18:23 <EmTonkin>I would prefer it |
| Jul 06 12:18:24 <Greg_Tourte>will come back to you as soon as it is done |
| Jul 06 12:18:27 <EmTonkin>cheers |
| Jul 06 12:18:33 <--Sarika_R (8258d132@rox-F526CC2.bath.ac.uk) has left #iwmw-2005 |
| Jul 06 12:18:46 <--CGI894 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC 0.5.7 (2005/06/19)) |
| Jul 06 12:18:48 <STuart_Steele>Laters everyone... |
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| Jul 06 12:20:39 <EmTonkin>brb in a few then chaps? cheers :) |
| Jul 06 12:21:07 <AndrewSavory>ttfn! |
| Jul 06 12:22:50 *Greg_Tourte has just asked the techies at Bath to open the irc server to outside connections |
| Jul 06 12:23:18 <EmTonkin>ok |
| Jul 06 12:23:20 <--DavidCupit (8258d132@rox-F526CC2.bath.ac.uk) has left #iwmw-2005 |
| Jul 06 12:23:23 <EmTonkin>did they say anything yet? |
| Jul 06 12:23:38 <EmTonkin>like YOU MUST BE JOKING??? for example? |
| Jul 06 12:23:41 <Greg_Tourte>so hopefully, you should at some point be able to connect to the network using your prefered software instead of the cgi interface |
| Jul 06 12:23:47 <EmTonkin>yay! |
| Jul 06 12:24:09 <AndrewSavory>cool |
| Jul 06 12:24:11 <Greg_Tourte>Em, we are talking about BUCS here, leave them some time |
| Jul 06 12:24:16 <EmTonkin>I am afraid that the cgiirc interface is not much loved :) |
| Jul 06 12:24:21 <EmTonkin>or rather :( |
| Jul 06 12:24:26 <AndrewSavory>so, around about next friday? ;-) |
| Jul 06 12:24:32 <EmTonkin>you're an optimist |
| Jul 06 12:24:39 <EmTonkin>it'll be UKOLN's christmas present |
| Jul 06 12:24:46 <AndrewSavory>hehe |
| Jul 06 12:25:08 <EmTonkin>(insert obligatory complaint about tech services here) |
| Jul 06 12:25:27 <EmTonkin>I dunno, even I beat them up and I am a techie. How disloyal of me. |
| Jul 06 12:26:02 <AndrewSavory>right, in search of food ... |
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| Jul 06 12:26:08 *EmTonkin wonders what we are supposed to be doing now |
| Jul 06 12:26:11 <EmTonkin>food, presumably |
| Jul 06 12:26:16 <Greg_Tourte>I guess so |
| Jul 06 12:26:20 <EmTonkin>brb in a few I guess then greg... ;) |
| Jul 06 12:26:31 <Greg_Tourte>ok |
| Jul 06 12:26:36 <Greg_Tourte>bon appetit!! |
| Jul 06 12:28:47 <EmTonkin>merci!! |
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| Jul 06 13:05:48 -->AndrewSavory (c2421769@rox-F526CC2.bath.ac.uk) has joined #iwmw-2005 |
| Jul 06 13:05:56 <AndrewSavory>Aloha! |
| Jul 06 13:05:57 -->Stuart_Steele (c242166e@rox-F526CC2.bath.ac.uk) has joined #iwmw-2005 |
| Jul 06 13:06:44 <Stuart_Steele>test |
| Jul 06 13:08:39 <CGI475>blimey. the Olympics are coming to London |
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| Jul 06 13:09:15 -->EmTonkin (8258d132@rox-F526CC2.bath.ac.uk) has joined #iwmw-2005 |
| Jul 06 13:09:18 <EmTonkin>hello |
| Jul 06 13:09:29 <EmTonkin>good grief, what happened to all the other characters on here |
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| Jul 06 13:09:49 -->Sarika_R (8258d132@rox-F526CC2.bath.ac.uk) has joined #iwmw-2005 |
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| Jul 06 13:09:58 <EmTonkin>hello??? |
| Jul 06 13:10:07 <Sarika_R>hi |
| Jul 06 13:10:21 *EmTonkin pokes the IRC server |
| Jul 06 13:10:31 <EmTonkin>Behave! |
| Jul 06 13:11:57 -->AndrewSavory (c2421769@rox-F526CC2.bath.ac.uk) has joined #iwmw-2005 |
| Jul 06 13:12:27 <EmTonkin>hi again |
| Jul 06 13:12:31 <EmTonkin>good lunch? |
| Jul 06 13:12:36 <AndrewSavory>hiya. yeah, not bad |
| Jul 06 13:12:44 <AndrewSavory>samosas were fantastic |
| Jul 06 13:14:23 <AndrewSavory>hmm, is there a list of where the 9 were? I can't remember how many i've been to ;-) |
| Jul 06 13:14:40 <Em_Tonkin>now that's a good question to which I have no answer |
| Jul 06 13:14:49 <AndrewSavory>ahha - http://www.ukoln.ac.uk/web-focus/events/workshops/ |
| Jul 06 13:15:00 <Em_Tonkin>excellent! |
| Jul 06 13:15:07 <AndrewSavory>ok, this is my fifth then |
| Jul 06 13:15:20 -->MilesB (8258d132@rox-F526CC2.bath.ac.uk) has joined #iwmw-2005 |
| Jul 06 13:15:24 <AndrewSavory>hi Miles |
| Jul 06 13:15:31 <MilesB>Hello there |
| Jul 06 13:15:34 <EmTonkin>afternoon :) |
| Jul 06 13:15:47 <MilesB>I think I can claim seven IWMWs! |
| Jul 06 13:16:02 <AndrewSavory>only 5 here |
| Jul 06 13:16:03 <EmTonkin>a definite contender, then |
| Jul 06 13:16:13 *EmTonkin is a newbie |
| Jul 06 13:16:20 <EmTonkin>this is my first |
| Jul 06 13:16:48 <MilesB>Newcastle, Bath, Belfast, Kent, Goldsmith's, Strathclyde, Manchester |
| Jul 06 13:17:00 -->CGI475 (c242179f@rox-F526CC2.bath.ac.uk) has joined #iwmw-2005 |
| Jul 06 13:18:00 <AndrewSavory>Goldsmith's, Bath, Belfast, Strathclyde, Manchester |
| Jul 06 13:19:25 <CGI475>thats only 5. wasnt the cut off number 6? |
| Jul 06 13:19:54 ---CGI475 is now known as Sebastian |
| Jul 06 13:20:09 <AndrewSavory>ah, hello Sebastian |
| Jul 06 13:20:26 <AndrewSavory>can't connect to the jabber service ... bloomin' proprietary macos clients, bah |
| Jul 06 13:20:36 <EmTonkin>ah... I was wondering who CGI475 was |
| Jul 06 13:20:43 *EmTonkin can't connect to jabber either |
| Jul 06 13:20:57 <Sebastian>i am a number not a name |
| Jul 06 13:20:57 <EmTonkin>I think the ports are still blocked on the university network |
| Jul 06 13:21:30 <--Sebastian has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) |
| Jul 06 13:21:32 <AndrewSavory>i'm connected to the regular jabber server, just can't get to the one brian listed, private.jabber.org |
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| Jul 06 13:21:40 <EmTonkin>a new word coined... "incentivizing" |
| Jul 06 13:21:40 -->CGI894 (c242179f@rox-F526CC2.bath.ac.uk) has joined #iwmw-2005 |
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| Jul 06 13:22:40 <MilesB>incentivizing is not new but is horribe! |
| Jul 06 13:22:48 <MilesB>Goes with diarizing |
| Jul 06 13:22:49 -->CGI894 (c242179f@rox-F526CC2.bath.ac.uk) has joined #iwmw-2005 |
| Jul 06 13:22:52 <AndrewSavory>http://blogs.warwick.ac.uk/ |
| Jul 06 13:23:04 ---CGI894 is now known as Sebastian |
| Jul 06 13:23:09 <EmTonkin>AndrewSavory : you spammer you :) |
| Jul 06 13:23:17 <AndrewSavory>hehe |
| Jul 06 13:23:25 *EmTonkin <= bad sense of humour, sorry |
| Jul 06 13:24:04 <AndrewSavory>i'm limited in the jokes i can make if this channel is logged ;-) |
| Jul 06 13:24:07 <--Sarika_R (8258d132@rox-F526CC2.bath.ac.uk) has left #iwmw-2005 |
| Jul 06 13:24:57 <AndrewSavory>coo: Stats |
| Jul 06 13:25:07 -->CGI209 (8258d132@rox-F526CC2.bath.ac.uk) has joined #iwmw-2005 |
| Jul 06 13:25:09 <AndrewSavory>3433 blogs at warwick |
| Jul 06 13:25:19 <EmTonkin>! |
| Jul 06 13:25:25 <MilesB>Thats pretty good take-up |
| Jul 06 13:25:38 <EmTonkin>yes it is |
| Jul 06 13:25:43 <CGI209>how do you change your screen name? |
| Jul 06 13:25:49 <EmTonkin>you type /nick mynewnick |
| Jul 06 13:25:50 <AndrewSavory>type /nick FooBar |
| Jul 06 13:26:11 ---CGI209 is now known as FooBar |
| Jul 06 13:26:18 <FooBar>thanks |
| Jul 06 13:26:19 <Sebastian>well that helps a lot |
| Jul 06 13:26:23 <AndrewSavory>rofl |
| Jul 06 13:26:26 ---FooBar is now known as Tim |
| Jul 06 13:27:00 <AndrewSavory>i'd love to know what proportion of universities have blogs, and how many have a policy on blogging |
| Jul 06 13:27:03 <Sebastian>if your second name is Berners Lee, I claim my geek prize |
| Jul 06 13:27:07 <EmTonkin>hehe |
| Jul 06 13:27:09 <MilesB>No blogs at Kent |
| Jul 06 13:27:19 <MilesB>No CMS at Kent |
| Jul 06 13:27:23 <MilesB>No portals at Kent |
| Jul 06 13:27:30 <MilesB>I could go on ... |
| Jul 06 13:27:31 <Tim>none at City |
| Jul 06 13:27:35 <Sebastian>oxford has no central facilities so how would we know |
| Jul 06 13:27:45 <EmTonkin>I don't think Bath has a policy... I think Birmingham don't allow any blogs at all, though I could easily be wholly wrong. |
| Jul 06 13:27:47 <Tim>city has free web space tho |
| Jul 06 13:28:06 <EmTonkin>Bristol just gave me a piece of web space with no server-side abilities whatsoever |
| Jul 06 13:28:38 <Sebastian>http://ramble.oucs.ox.ac.uk/blog/index.jsp is a poject for student blogging at Oxford, based on PDAs |
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| Jul 06 13:29:14 <EmTonkin>based I think on the principle that they audited the code written by their CS staff and found hundreds of crippling security flaws, so they chose to solve the problem by simply disallowing code. |
| Jul 06 13:29:42 <EmTonkin>I don't know why they don't introduce some prebuilt stuff, though. |
| Jul 06 13:29:51 <Sebastian>if Oracle was open source they could have audited the code of the financials and found the security flaws too |
| Jul 06 13:29:58 <EmTonkin>yes :) |
| Jul 06 13:30:12 <Tim>you can see why tho emtonkin, that's why blogs may be better = easier |
| Jul 06 13:30:24 <EmTonkin>yes I can see that quite well |
| Jul 06 13:31:02 <Sebastian>can it be assumed that blogs and wikis are not inherently more security-flawed than other web apps? |
| Jul 06 13:31:09 <EmTonkin>hm. |
| Jul 06 13:31:21 <EmTonkin>tough question actually. |
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| Jul 06 13:31:42 <Tim>will unis be service providers in the future then? |
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| Jul 06 13:31:44 <EmTonkin>on the one hand, they're presumably not inherently worse. But blogs particularly are actually quite complex... |
| Jul 06 13:31:59 <Tim>after life long e-mail now lifelong blog?? |
| Jul 06 13:32:19 <EmTonkin>thus for example I noticed yesterday that a flaw in an XML library == security flaws in most common blogging software |
| Jul 06 13:32:36 <Sebastian>what was the flaw, he said, sweating. |
| Jul 06 13:32:47 <EmTonkin>php exec() call I believe |
| Jul 06 13:32:50 <Tim>but that's an issue for the providers of the software rather than individual students |
| Jul 06 13:33:17 <Sebastian>eh? thats not an XML library then. i thought you meant a flaw in libxml2 |
| Jul 06 13:33:21 <EmTonkin>http://www.auscert.org.au/render.html?it=5222 |
| Jul 06 13:33:37 <EmTonkin>Confirmed flaws exist in two XML-RPC libraries for PHP allowing an |
| Jul 06 13:33:37 <EmTonkin>attacker to remotely execute arbitrary code. These XML-RPC libraries |
| Jul 06 13:33:37 <EmTonkin>are used by many popular PHP applications. |
| Jul 06 13:33:53 <EmTonkin>it's a PHP flaw in the end |
| Jul 06 13:34:00 <EmTonkin>like so many, many things. |
| Jul 06 13:34:01 <--CGI110 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) |
| Jul 06 13:34:03 <AndrewSavory>there's a moral about PHP usage in there somewhere ;-) |
| Jul 06 13:34:20 <EmTonkin>what, "Check input before trusting it"? |
| Jul 06 13:34:25 <AndrewSavory>ooh! ooh! Randy's reading email! what was it I'm supposed to shout out? :-) :-) |
| Jul 06 13:34:26 <Sebastian>its like flaws in M'soft, its a function of widespread use. |
| Jul 06 13:34:42 *AndrewSavory hides his mail app |
| Jul 06 13:34:55 <Sebastian>he won't be able to send email anyway using his app |
| Jul 06 13:35:01 *EmTonkin blinks |
| Jul 06 13:35:10 <EmTonkin>incidentally... not to briefly drop off-topic, good news: |
| Jul 06 13:35:19 <EmTonkin>at least, possibly good news, depending on who you are. |
| Jul 06 13:35:37 <EmTonkin>EU parliament just voted to reject the software patents directive. |
| Jul 06 13:36:00 <AndrewSavory>Excellent! |
| Jul 06 13:36:02 <MilesB>Cool - but did we win the Olympic bid |
| Jul 06 13:36:05 <EmTonkin>oh no, now I have an urge to blog about it :) |
| Jul 06 13:36:09 <MilesB>Sorry |
| Jul 06 13:36:21 *AndrewSavory isn't blogging at the moment. At all. Oh, no. Definitely not. Ahem. |
| Jul 06 13:36:25 <EmTonkin>Grace de la Flor mentioned earlier that she had heard that we did. I have not independently checked it. |
| Jul 06 13:36:43 <Sebastian>we did win the olympics yes |
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| Jul 06 13:37:16 <Sebastian>so the guardian says |
| Jul 06 13:37:28 <EmTonkin>The vote to scrap the bill was passed by a margin of 648 votes to 14, with 18 abstentions. |
| Jul 06 13:37:33 <EmTonkin>hmm... |
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| Jul 06 13:37:55 <Sebastian>and will the commission take any notice? |
| Jul 06 13:38:06 <EmTonkin>umm |
| Jul 06 13:38:31 <Sebastian>i lost track, did the speaker say they wroye their own blog app? |
| Jul 06 13:38:38 <EmTonkin>well that would be the question. Although that is rapidly becoming a basic question behind the whole desirability of Europe (TM). And I'm off-topic. |
| Jul 06 13:38:39 <Stuart_Steele>they did |
| Jul 06 13:38:43 <EmTonkin>yes |
| Jul 06 13:38:55 <MilesB>Yes - they wrote their own blog app |
| Jul 06 13:38:56 <AndrewSavory>Sebastian: yes, I believe they did |
| Jul 06 13:39:16 <MilesB>For reasons of scale, athentication, enforcement of AUP etc |
| Jul 06 13:39:20 <Sebastian>i wonderif Brian will shortly show this whole conversation to the assembled multitude |
| Jul 06 13:39:25 <EmTonkin>oh yes. |
| Jul 06 13:39:44 <MilesB>He's not logged on though? Could we be safe? |
| Jul 06 13:39:46 <EmTonkin>Brian, when you read this, I apologise for my off-topicness, and I have been listening really. |
| Jul 06 13:40:11 <EmTonkin>alas, if you see that Em_Tonkin at the top of the user list... it is logging the chat. |
| Jul 06 13:40:17 <AndrewSavory>so is Em_Tonkin the blogging bot, or Brian in disguise? |
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| Jul 06 13:40:20 <Sebastian>i havent. i've been using Skype nack home |
| Jul 06 13:40:33 <EmTonkin>I suppose I could censor the result to make it look as though I ramble less. |
| Jul 06 13:40:41 <EmTonkin>Greetings Andy Powell. |
| Jul 06 13:40:47 <AndyP>hello |
| Jul 06 13:40:53 <MilesB>I'm finding listening and chatting at the same time difficult |
| Jul 06 13:40:54 <Sebastian>you could put an <a> around that to link to ramble.oucs.ox.ac.uk |
| Jul 06 13:41:00 <MilesB>Hey Andy - long time no see |
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| Jul 06 13:41:41 <AndyP>I'm in Bath and supposed to be preparing a presentation for tomorrow... so won't be saying much! |
| Jul 06 13:41:48 <AndrewSavory>Hi Randy ;-) |
| Jul 06 13:41:55 <EmTonkin>this is a fascinating introduction |
| Jul 06 13:42:06 <Randy>Hi - I'm a first timer |
| Jul 06 13:42:18 <EmTonkin>hello Randy |
| Jul 06 13:42:23 <Randy>Hi Em |
| Jul 06 13:43:08 <Sebastian>shame randy didnt introduce himself |
| Jul 06 13:43:40 <EmTonkin>do it. think it. blog it! |
| Jul 06 13:43:42 <Randy>Didn't I? I work with Sebastian. And now I know what he does at conferences |
| Jul 06 13:43:45 <EmTonkin>nice. |
| Jul 06 13:43:52 <AndrewSavory>hmm, the banner ads owe a lot to Apple's marketing design ;-) |
| Jul 06 13:44:02 <Randy>that bad? |
| Jul 06 13:44:03 <Sebastian>yes it was a weak joke i hoped you might say "hi, i'm randy". |
| Jul 06 13:44:10 <EmTonkin>d'oh |
| Jul 06 13:44:18 <Stuart_Steele>isn't it just good design? |
| Jul 06 13:44:37 <MilesB>d'oh seconded |
| Jul 06 13:44:42 <EmTonkin>Actually, I'd like a blogging fridge magnet. |
| Jul 06 13:44:44 <Sebastian>memo to randy - oss watch fridge magnets |
| Jul 06 13:45:01 <Randy>forget it |
| Jul 06 13:45:03 <MilesB>I thought the designs looked good - order me a fridge magnet |
| Jul 06 13:45:10 <EmTonkin>to go with my dot com era @ sign pens and so forth. |
| Jul 06 13:45:11 <Stuart_Steele>why aren't they in the conference bag? |
| Jul 06 13:45:30 <EmTonkin>Strong community, there. |
| Jul 06 13:45:48 <Sebastian>aveage of 2 comments on every blog? amazing! |
| Jul 06 13:45:51 <EmTonkin>or anyway opinionated people. |
| Jul 06 13:46:08 <AndrewSavory>2 comments has to be more than blogger ;-) |
| Jul 06 13:46:08 <Randy>why aren't they studying or sleeping in the library? |
| Jul 06 13:46:13 <EmTonkin>it _is_ a pretty good number. |
| Jul 06 13:46:24 <Sebastian>i wonder what activity they gave uo to go blogging |
| Jul 06 13:46:34 <MilesB>Do they have internet cafes at Warwick? |
| Jul 06 13:46:35 <EmTonkin>hm. |
| Jul 06 13:46:35 <AndrewSavory>lectures? |
| Jul 06 13:46:56 <EmTonkin>maybe they blog during those periods in lectures in which they would otherwise be falling asleep. |
| Jul 06 13:47:03 <Randy>like now |
| Jul 06 13:47:08 <Sebastian>i assumed warwick was wireless. we need to ask the speaker if he knows what technology they use |
| Jul 06 13:47:40 <EmTonkin>in which case, I congratulate Warwick for finding a solution to a problem that I used to suffer frequently in quantum mechanics lectures. |
| Jul 06 13:47:44 <Sebastian>and is there a usage peak by time of day |
| Jul 06 13:47:59 <Stuart_Steele>answer the phone |
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| Jul 06 13:48:38 <EmTonkin>aha |
| Jul 06 13:48:50 <MilesB>Sorry about leaving and coming back - I hate track pads |
| Jul 06 13:49:09 <EmTonkin>no problem |
| Jul 06 13:49:17 <AndrewSavory>Randy's misplaced the mute button ;-) |
| Jul 06 13:49:33 <Randy>found it! |
| Jul 06 13:49:34 <EmTonkin>I gave up on that and just plugged in earphones. |
| Jul 06 13:49:48 <AndrewSavory>ooh, good idea. can i play music at the same time, then? :-) |
| Jul 06 13:49:50 <Sebastian>drat. i knew i left something ehind |
| Jul 06 13:49:51 <EmTonkin>to spare my blushes |
| Jul 06 13:49:55 <EmTonkin>heh |
| Jul 06 13:50:39 <EmTonkin>well I was listening to iron maiden but strangely, it seems to conflict with my ability to concentrate on the talk at hand. So I decided to dispense with the tertiary soundtrack. |
| Jul 06 13:50:50 <Sebastian>its an odd thing, I cant see the words on the screen, because the contrast of the pc screen in front me is making my pupils contract. and I cant refocusq quick enough |
| Jul 06 13:51:01 <Sebastian>i mean on the big screen |
| Jul 06 13:51:03 <MilesB>Not good font size |
| Jul 06 13:51:22 <EmTonkin>it's readable from down here at the front. |
| Jul 06 13:51:34 <Stuart_Steele>could we ask him to bump up the font size? |
| Jul 06 13:51:43 <Stuart_Steele>ROFL |
| Jul 06 13:51:49 <MilesB>Ah - I'm on the raised seating - too far away |
| Jul 06 13:51:54 <Sebastian>its fine, technically. its just the switching between this IRC and the big screen |
| Jul 06 13:52:46 <AndrewSavory>middlesex university are doing an experiment with the fusion between blogs and wikis ... but i've broken the site, oops... |
| Jul 06 13:52:58 <EmTonkin>he' s right though. The ability to read it just distracts... particularly with subtitles like "Whose boobs?" |
| Jul 06 13:53:12 <EmTonkin>oh my. Vandelinde. |
| Jul 06 13:53:42 <AndrewSavory>nice urls... big improvement on bloxsom, etc |
| Jul 06 13:53:48 <Stuart_Steele>I've just noticed that |
| Jul 06 13:54:04 <Sebastian>http://blogs.warwick.ac.uk/peterwoods/entry/vandelinde_in_golf/ |
| Jul 06 13:54:21 <MilesB>Hmmm - wonder if my snr mgt would have this? |
| Jul 06 13:54:44 <EmTonkin>heh heh heh. |
| Jul 06 13:55:10 <MilesB>Love the pitch and putt |
| Jul 06 13:55:21 <Sebastian>is this warwick software available? |
| Jul 06 13:55:44 <EmTonkin>"This new venture will help me to meet more students as I will require a caddy" |
| Jul 06 13:56:04 <Stuart_Steele>I am wondering how they moderate this? |
| Jul 06 13:56:13 <EmTonkin>*blink* |
| Jul 06 13:56:16 <Sebastian>google gives 38000 hits on "warwick wetdream blog" |
| Jul 06 13:56:24 <EmTonkin>*blink blink* |
| Jul 06 13:56:25 <MilesB>Its not really the students I'm worried about |
| Jul 06 13:56:35 <MilesB>What if my colleagues published theo |
| Jul 06 13:56:38 <MilesB>oops |
| Jul 06 13:56:45 <MilesB>their dreams - I was going to say |
| Jul 06 13:57:07 <EmTonkin>er. |
| Jul 06 13:57:54 <EmTonkin>well I did once walk into the office and complain about a nightmare I had. But I don't think the office culture in UKOLN really promotes that sort of attention-validation thing. |
| Jul 06 13:57:55 <MilesB>Oh god - Kent loses out to Warwick in another league table |
| Jul 06 13:58:16 <MilesB>(re: gogle 38000 hits) |
| Jul 06 13:58:42 <EmTonkin>I think I'd be happy about that if I were you, milesb |
| Jul 06 13:58:56 <EmTonkin>advertising slogan returned just there. |
| Jul 06 13:59:00 <MilesB>yeh! |
| Jul 06 13:59:07 <EmTonkin>'empty my mind' |
| Jul 06 13:59:14 <MilesB>Would emptying his kmind have taken long? |
| Jul 06 13:59:17 <EmTonkin>heh. 'one-man sitcom' |
| Jul 06 13:59:36 <EmTonkin>gosh. |
| Jul 06 13:59:42 <Stuart_Steele>that shirt? |
| Jul 06 13:59:44 <EmTonkin>'me- in paper form - except digital' |
| Jul 06 13:59:53 <MilesB>Remember the Nick Park Creature Comfots? |
| Jul 06 13:59:57 <EmTonkin>hehe. |
| Jul 06 14:00:08 <Sebastian>nerd alert |
| Jul 06 14:00:12 <Stuart_Steele>oh rights its very on and offable... |
| Jul 06 14:00:29 <MilesB>yep - thats the one |
| Jul 06 14:00:32 <EmTonkin>hehe |
| Jul 06 14:00:33 <Sebastian>my kind of girl |
| Jul 06 14:00:50 <EmTonkin>' I' ve always been of the opinion that if I can explain something in a sarcastic way then clearly I understand it' |
| Jul 06 14:00:51 <Randy>virtual friends |
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| Jul 06 14:01:14 <Sebastian>dont knock thm, randy. its the best some of us can get |
| Jul 06 14:01:42 <EmTonkin>...said sebastian, leaving the door open to just the sort of humour that EmTonkin is not going to indulge in today. |
| Jul 06 14:02:11 <Sebastian>this boys looking for points from his tutor |
| Jul 06 14:02:12 <AndrewSavory>this is why irc should not be logged ;-) |
| Jul 06 14:02:35 <Sebastian>has this girls parents seen where their money is going? |
| Jul 06 14:02:44 <EmTonkin>sorry. Brian needs the logs for paper authorship purposes... :) |
| Jul 06 14:02:48 <EmTonkin>;) |
| Jul 06 14:03:13 <EmTonkin>oops |
| Jul 06 14:03:21 <EmTonkin>" It' s ok to shoot babies in the face " |
| Jul 06 14:03:32 <EmTonkin>that's a bloggable opinion fit for the freepers. |
| Jul 06 14:03:45 <Stuart_Steele>*straight jacket* |
| Jul 06 14:03:47 <AndrewSavory>i've lost track of the number of times i got reprimanded / shouted at / kicked for blogging ;-) |
| Jul 06 14:03:57 <EmTonkin>I blog under pseudonyms. |
| Jul 06 14:04:04 <AndrewSavory>that's not a bad idea |
| Jul 06 14:04:10 <Stuart_Steele>*bargin* |
| Jul 06 14:04:25 <EmTonkin>and I have a blog under my own name that gets nothing except for dry academic stuff |
| Jul 06 14:04:30 <EmTonkin>sort of a phd logbook |
| Jul 06 14:04:43 <EmTonkin>you know "Today I compiled a bf interpreter for the gumstix" |
| Jul 06 14:04:49 <Greg_Tourte>you know what guys? it is very hard to understand what you are talking about from remote. it seems we are missing some of what you can see.. am I right? |
| Jul 06 14:04:54 <EmTonkin>hehe |
| Jul 06 14:05:02 <Sebastian>whats the point of blogging if no-one knows its you? |
| Jul 06 14:05:16 <EmTonkin>you are missing a hilarious and interesting video presentation of a lot of students explaining how they feel about blogging |
| Jul 06 14:05:23 <Sebastian>dont the slides have the video? |
| Jul 06 14:05:34 <EmTonkin>no, I don't think so |
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| Jul 06 14:05:43 <Greg_Tourte>Oh I see |
| Jul 06 14:05:45 <Sebastian>this is a good style for the opening presentation |
| Jul 06 14:05:53 <EmTonkin>and as to the point of blogging if noone knows it's me, they know who I am, they just don't know my identity :P |
| Jul 06 14:06:06 <Stuart_Steele>I've enjoyed it i.e still awake |
| Jul 06 14:06:30 <AndrewSavory>copyright law is broken... |
| Jul 06 14:06:36 <Randy>no it isn't |
| Jul 06 14:06:46 <EmTonkin>one of my friends who blogs (livejournals) under his own name made the mistake of writing down where he worked (Newsweek I think it was) and a bunch of people actually phoned his work for various nefarious purposes. |
| Jul 06 14:06:47 <AndrewSavory>... discuss :-) |
| Jul 06 14:07:09 <AndrewSavory>Did you hear about the guy that got fired for being on Newsnight this week? |
| Jul 06 14:07:19 <Randy>no |
| Jul 06 14:07:24 <Sebastian>what nefarious purposes? |
| Jul 06 14:07:28 <EmTonkin>ah yeah... for p2p |
| Jul 06 14:07:29 <Stuart_Steele>the airhostess diaries were a fine example |
| Jul 06 14:07:47 <EmTonkin>sebastian: prank calls |
| Jul 06 14:07:53 <Stuart_Steele>photos of an airline hostess appeared on her blog she was eating asparagus |
| Jul 06 14:08:15 <Stuart_Steele>airline fired her for *misuse* of her uniform |
| Jul 06 14:08:17 <AndrewSavory>http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/netmusic/story/0,13368,1520589,00.html |
| Jul 06 14:08:31 <EmTonkin>sebastian: he had made the mistake previously of working as a schoolteacher, and blogging under his own name - and the school kids, who apparently hadn't enjoyed some of the names he had employed, chose to take revenge. |
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| Jul 06 14:08:59 <MilesB>Just fell off the wlan |
| Jul 06 14:09:08 <Sebastian>how do you use a uniform to eat asparagus? |
| Jul 06 14:09:28 <Stuart_Steele>google for queenofsky blog |
| Jul 06 14:10:40 <Stuart_Steele>*blink* |
| Jul 06 14:10:48 <Stuart_Steele>sorry just testing I was still connected |
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| Jul 06 14:10:58 <EmTonkin>Wheee |
| Jul 06 14:11:01 <AndrewSavory>question for later ... will they make the code available to other universities? |
| Jul 06 14:11:05 <EmTonkin>and I fell off the wlan too. |
| Jul 06 14:11:38 <Sebastian>i cant see any reference to the code on the site, can you? |
| Jul 06 14:11:51 <Stuart_Steele>I doubt it |
| Jul 06 14:11:53 <AndrewSavory>nope |
| Jul 06 14:12:46 <Sebastian>the LSE needs a VRE then |
| Jul 06 14:13:22 <EmTonkin>you've just reminded me that for next conference I need to code an eggdrop bot that autodecodes TLAs. |
| Jul 06 14:13:32 <Stuart_Steele>he said he was struggling for content not technology |
| Jul 06 14:14:28 <EmTonkin>windows noise! |
| Jul 06 14:14:46 <MilesB>hehe |
| Jul 06 14:14:48 <AndrewSavory>... not to mention hosting it on an open irc server next time ;-) like the low barrier to entry with web clients, but hate usability :( |
| Jul 06 14:14:54 <EmTonkin>yes well I agree |
| Jul 06 14:15:05 <EmTonkin>but it is a hard choice to make... |
| Jul 06 14:15:16 <AndrewSavory>yup, don't envy you |
| Jul 06 14:15:25 <EmTonkin>at least it has worked better than the jabber client last time. |
| Jul 06 14:15:30 <AndrewSavory>accessible infrastructure: oxymoron? |
| Jul 06 14:16:22 <EmTonkin>;) |
| Jul 06 14:17:18 <EmTonkin>mmm. interesting. |
| Jul 06 14:17:36 <EmTonkin>hey, that's the iterative development cycle on the right. Almost. |
| Jul 06 14:17:37 <Stuart_Steele>your thoughts? |
| Jul 06 14:20:07 <Greg_Tourte>well about the openness of the irc server, we are still waiting for the IT guy at the university to open the port |
| Jul 06 14:20:18 <EmTonkin>ok. |
| Jul 06 14:20:44 <Stuart_Steele>will we need to specifically attach to one or the other access point? |
| Jul 06 14:20:57 <EmTonkin>what, the wifi access points here? |
| Jul 06 14:20:59 <EmTonkin>I don't know. |
| Jul 06 14:21:17 <EmTonkin>oh, that's a good point in fact. let me see if irc generally works here. |
| Jul 06 14:22:15 <Stuart_Steele>i can online web browse, no pop3 mail or anything |
| Jul 06 14:22:17 <EmTonkin>otherwise we might have to ask them to open a different port, greg. |
| Jul 06 14:22:17 <AndrewSavory>no, it doesn't |
| Jul 06 14:22:31 <AndrewSavory>but, i have a tunnel set up, and a redirector on my server |
| Jul 06 14:22:38 <AndrewSavory>8080 works |
| Jul 06 14:22:44 <Greg_Tourte>oh |
| Jul 06 14:22:50 <Sebastian>brian's looking over my shoulder...... |
| Jul 06 14:22:51 <EmTonkin>cr** |
| Jul 06 14:22:55 <MilesB>There might be a difference if you use conference network not university network |
| Jul 06 14:23:02 <EmTonkin>maybe |
| Jul 06 14:23:08 <AndrewSavory>Hello brian ... |
| Jul 06 14:23:09 <EmTonkin>doesn't that cost money though? |
| Jul 06 14:23:12 <Stuart_Steele>i am on conference |
| Jul 06 14:23:21 <Sebastian>google for "auricle podcast john dale" says BK |
| Jul 06 14:23:26 <MilesB>I'm on uni |
| Jul 06 14:23:31 <AndrewSavory>don't tell anyone but the 'conference' ssid works fine |
| Jul 06 14:23:44 <AndrewSavory>(and has more ports open, more importantly) |
| Jul 06 14:23:47 <EmTonkin>brian I am NOT going to listen to an auricle podcast whilst listening to another talk. |
| Jul 06 14:23:47 <Stuart_Steele>works fine for...... |
| Jul 06 14:23:58 <EmTonkin>! :) |
| Jul 06 14:24:08 <AndrewSavory>web, ssh, jabber |
| Jul 06 14:24:27 <Greg_Tourte>AndrewSavory: is port 6667 open on the conference ssid? |
| Jul 06 14:24:29 <EmTonkin>hmm... I get ssh on university network. |
| Jul 06 14:24:32 <Sebastian>but not secure smtp |
| Jul 06 14:25:11 <Sebastian>the "university" ssid throws you out every hour or so, from memory of a few weeks ago |
| Jul 06 14:25:12 <AndrewSavory>Greg_Tourte: not afaict - port 22, port 80, port 8080 |
| Jul 06 14:25:19 <MilesB>We abandoned our publication like the one Stephen's talking about because of the problems he's describing |
| Jul 06 14:25:25 <Greg_Tourte>hmm |
| Jul 06 14:25:33 <EmTonkin>looks like we're just stuck with the cgi-irc then? |
| Jul 06 14:25:42 <Stuart_Steele>yes, I am up against this problem at the momemnt and we've gone to endnote |
| Jul 06 14:25:53 <Stuart_Steele>I've pulled XML |
| Jul 06 14:25:54 <Sebastian>Blair will close down the LSE next week i expect, for dissing ID cards |
| Jul 06 14:26:02 <EmTonkin>well, we're not of course, you could always stick it on port 8080 and hope they're not actually packet filtering. |
| Jul 06 14:26:04 <AndrewSavory>rinetd would fix the problem at BUCS, or I can fix the problem for us |
| Jul 06 14:26:05 <Stuart_Steele>indeed he will |
| Jul 06 14:26:09 <Greg_Tourte>not much we can do as port 8080 is already used on the machine hosting the irc server |
| Jul 06 14:26:13 <EmTonkin>oh. |
| Jul 06 14:26:21 <EmTonkin>err. |
| Jul 06 14:26:26 <Stuart_Steele>tomcat? |
| Jul 06 14:26:28 <AndrewSavory>(I've tried tunnelling too, that works ... if you hit my machine on port 1024 you get redirected to irc.oftc.net |
| Jul 06 14:26:36 <Greg_Tourte>yep |
| Jul 06 14:26:50 <EmTonkin>well let's see what other ports are open that we can co-opt. |
| Jul 06 14:26:51 <Stuart_Steele>this is gettinga little geekish |
| Jul 06 14:26:52 <AndrewSavory>if we're all on the same SSID I think one tunnel would work for everyone |
| Jul 06 14:27:24 <Sebastian>i'm still owondering what "I've pulled XML" means. |
| Jul 06 14:27:41 <Stuart_Steele>pulled xML from endnote, |
| Jul 06 14:27:46 <MilesB>Michael - good to meet you virtually again |
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| Jul 06 14:27:49 <EmTonkin>greg: we could just ssh tunnel then. |
| Jul 06 14:28:34 *EmTonkin wonders why web services are all represented by gents' bathroom signs. |
| Jul 06 14:28:44 <MilesB>Good point |
| Jul 06 14:28:47 <EmTonkin>(sorry greg, not one you would have visual access to that) |
| Jul 06 14:28:55 <patrickhlauke>as i missed the first session this morning...am i right in assuming that gaim doesn't work on the network here? |
| Jul 06 14:29:11 <Stuart_Steele>it should do it was mentioned |
| Jul 06 14:29:19 <Stuart_Steele>in fact promoted |
| Jul 06 14:29:31 <EmTonkin>jabber doesn't if you're on the university wifi network... |
| Jul 06 14:29:42 <EmTonkin>depends what you're trying to connect to, therefore. |
| Jul 06 14:29:49 <patrickhlauke>hm...should i switch to conference network? |
| Jul 06 14:29:51 <Stuart_Steele>i'm on msn messenger |
| Jul 06 14:30:26 <EmTonkin>possibly |
| Jul 06 14:30:39 <Sebastian>quark to web, yawn. |
| Jul 06 14:30:47 <MilesB>All the "in the old days" examples in this talk apply to the way we do it at Kent! |
| Jul 06 14:30:50 <EmTonkin>mmm. |
| Jul 06 14:30:55 <Greg_Tourte>true you could ssh tunnel but each of you will have to tunnel through your respective network |
| Jul 06 14:30:59 <MilesB>Quark to plain text |
| Jul 06 14:31:00 <patrickhlauke>right...i'll give it a whirl...as this presentation isn't gripping me. i'm ungripped... |
| Jul 06 14:31:03 <MilesB>Plain text to HTML |
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| Jul 06 14:31:11 <MilesB>Oh god its so depressing |
| Jul 06 14:31:13 *EmTonkin admits that she is also ungripped. |
| Jul 06 14:31:22 <Sebastian>yuuurgh |
| Jul 06 14:31:27 <Stuart_Steele>perhaps you should separate content from markup |
| Jul 06 14:31:34 <MilesB>eek - really? |
| Jul 06 14:31:38 <Sebastian>they need XSL FO, he said geeiklyu |
| Jul 06 14:31:48 <EmTonkin>it worries me that printed content is said to equal web publishable content. |
| Jul 06 14:31:49 <EmTonkin>but |
| Jul 06 14:31:57 <EmTonkin>I guess a prospectus is a special case. |
| Jul 06 14:32:06 <MilesB>hear hear |
| Jul 06 14:32:13 <Stuart_Steele>printed material is out of date by thte time it gets delivered |
| Jul 06 14:32:13 <AndrewSavory>ah, i think we should replace all our 'corporate' sites with blogs |
| Jul 06 14:32:14 <Sebastian>"customer chain" seems a very grand word for all this |
| Jul 06 14:32:31 <Stuart_Steele>you missed the *internal* |
| Jul 06 14:32:34 <Randy>I like it - but let's call them basic income units |
| Jul 06 14:32:35 <AndrewSavory>hand out flyers instead of prospectuses, saying "visit blogs.foo.ac.uk" |
| Jul 06 14:32:37 <EmTonkin>chain up one's customers, eh? |
| Jul 06 14:32:45 <MilesB>Is the user getting what they want? The prospective student? |
| Jul 06 14:33:46 <MilesB>I can see that he is talking about helping the people who know the content to write the content |
| Jul 06 14:33:59 <MilesB>I like the idea of the those who know being able to publish |
| Jul 06 14:34:22 <Stuart_Steele>yes, but its encouraging them not to bother with presentation |
| Jul 06 14:34:28 <Sebastian>not exactly a rocket science concept? |
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| Jul 06 14:34:47 <MilesB>No - but how many institutions acutally do it? |
| Jul 06 14:34:54 <Stuart_Steele>not mine |
| Jul 06 14:35:00 <Stuart_Steele>but we're learning |
| Jul 06 14:35:13 <EmTonkin>http://orweblog.oclc.org/archives/000702.html |
| Jul 06 14:35:14 <Stuart_Steele>we've now got guidlines |
| Jul 06 14:35:30 <EmTonkin>(was reminded of this for some reason) |
| Jul 06 14:35:52 <EmTonkin>probably because of the question "Is the user getting what they want" |
| Jul 06 14:36:00 <Sebastian>pah. now he's being patronzing |
| Jul 06 14:36:31 <EmTonkin>just one target customer. |
| Jul 06 14:36:34 <EmTonkin>:) |
| Jul 06 14:36:53 <Stuart_Steele>could be worse, It could be me standing up their; |
| Jul 06 14:36:54 <Stuart_Steele>) |
| Jul 06 14:37:05 <Stuart_Steele>sorry there* |
| Jul 06 14:37:10 <Sebastian>keep your hands out of the till. folks, Brians watching |
| Jul 06 14:38:14 <AndrewSavory>Right, that's it. I'm going to bludgeon Stephen over the head with a copy of OmniGraffle. The non-transparent white squares with rounded diagrams are really bugging me |
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| Jul 06 14:38:50 <Sebastian>probably our most valuable asset, people |
| Jul 06 14:38:56 <Stuart_Steele>we should be using macromedia breeze |
| Jul 06 14:39:08 <AndrewSavory>usually the most undervalued asset, too, iirc |
| Jul 06 14:39:11 <Stuart_Steele>I wouldn't have to look up from the screen |
| Jul 06 14:39:19 <MilesB>Most expensive |
| Jul 06 14:39:20 <Randy>Thanks - sebastian |
| Jul 06 14:39:43 <Stuart_Steele>So I have found, but I am sure we could have tweaked out a free trial |
| Jul 06 14:39:45 <Sebastian>only applies to natives, randy |
| Jul 06 14:39:48 <Greg_Tourte>dia... anyone? |
| Jul 06 14:39:49 <MilesB>People break systems and processes and should be removed |
| Jul 06 14:39:51 <Randy>damn |
| Jul 06 14:39:54 <EmTonkin>well without people it would be a little futile. |
| Jul 06 14:40:01 <MilesB>:-) |
| Jul 06 14:40:12 <AndrewSavory>Greg_Tourte: dia is fine, but not so good with layered transparencies ;-) |
| Jul 06 14:40:19 <EmTonkin>but it would remove all those nasty questions of institutional culture and changing user needs and so forth. |
| Jul 06 14:40:20 <Sebastian>a good machine is a clean machine, with no users. books should stay in libraries |
| Jul 06 14:40:27 <Sebastian>can you rotate objects in dia? |
| Jul 06 14:40:31 <Greg_Tourte>AndrewSavory: true |
| Jul 06 14:40:41 <EmTonkin>Sebastian: nail. head. thwack. |
| Jul 06 14:40:52 <Greg_Tourte>Sebastian: not yet afaik... |
| Jul 06 14:40:53 <Stuart_Steele>dia? |
| Jul 06 14:41:05 <Sebastian>^nail^nail in the^ ? |
| Jul 06 14:41:16 <AndrewSavory>dia: http://www.gnome.org/projects/dia/ |
| Jul 06 14:41:27 <AndrewSavory>one of these strange free software thingummies |
| Jul 06 14:41:44 <Stuart_Steele>like visio? |
| Jul 06 14:41:44 <Sebastian>its nice. XML storage. good export facilites for TeXxies. ie in metapost |
| Jul 06 14:41:54 <Sebastian>yes but for Linux too |
| Jul 06 14:41:56 <AndrewSavory>can we have a googlebot in the next irc experiment, please? :-) |
| Jul 06 14:42:02 <EmTonkin>sure. |
| Jul 06 14:42:13 <EmTonkin>I actually compiled and installed an eggdrop yesterday |
| Jul 06 14:42:27 <Sebastian>big endian or small endian? |
| Jul 06 14:42:30 <EmTonkin>but stopped short of configuring it, being persuaded that I was perhaps verging on the geeky side. |
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| Jul 06 14:43:10 <EmTonkin>pity. A markov chain random chatbot for example would have enlivened the conversation still further. Or not. |
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| Jul 06 14:43:44 <AndrewSavory>heh |
| Jul 06 14:43:46 <EmTonkin>hi CGI711 |
| Jul 06 14:43:48 <AndrewSavory>has everyone read http://www.edwardtufte.com/tufte/powerpoint btw? |
| Jul 06 14:43:53 <patrickhlauke>yup |
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| Jul 06 14:45:09 <EmTonkin>I haven't, but I clearly ought to |
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| Jul 06 14:45:30 <AndrewSavory>Is it not possible to construct a chain that properly takes into account customer _AND_ supplier? (or did I miss that bit?) |
| Jul 06 14:45:42 <patrickhlauke>background images in powerpoint slides reduce readability....and somehow, i'm bored even more by this presentation because of it...or maybe it's just me, not sure |
| Jul 06 14:45:43 <EmTonkin>I'm confused I'm afraid |
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| Jul 06 14:46:02 <AndrewSavory>the text is a little dense on screen |
| Jul 06 14:46:13 <Sebastian>too many points on one slide |
| Jul 06 14:46:14 <Stuart_Steele>perhaps if the backgrounds changed from slide to slide |
| Jul 06 14:46:22 <EmTonkin>I suspect I am a little unfamiliar with this particular vocabulary set. |
| Jul 06 14:46:31 <patrickhlauke>bit more colour, a bit more humour, and less monotonous voice would also be a plus |
| Jul 06 14:46:33 <AndrewSavory>I also recommend http://perl.plover.com/yak/presentation/samples/slide001.html |
| Jul 06 14:46:46 <patrickhlauke>oh...almost a laugh... |
| Jul 06 14:47:05 <JeremySpellerUCL>Hope you're going to be as polite as this during my talk... |
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| Jul 06 14:47:11 <patrickhlauke>nah |
| Jul 06 14:47:21 <Sebastian>micro sites are a specialism of oxford. we claim its a Good Thing. |
| Jul 06 14:47:48 <EmTonkin>I know, I'm feeling very guilty about the clearly evident attitude problem we are exhibiting with respect to this discussion. |
| Jul 06 14:47:51 <AndrewSavory>i'd love to read the backchannel conversation after one of my presentations - find out if the things *I* think were wrong agree with the audience |
| Jul 06 14:48:12 <JeremySpellerUCL>I'm still off site and won't be there until later - how's it going so far? |
| Jul 06 14:48:21 <Sebastian>i'm never going to talk at one of Brian;s conferences ever again |
| Jul 06 14:48:22 <patrickhlauke>the backchat should be featured as captions below the slides on the big screen |
| Jul 06 14:48:28 <AndrewSavory>JeremySpellerUCL: good, so far |
| Jul 06 14:48:41 <Sebastian>sur tittles, and a signing person onn the stage too |
| Jul 06 14:48:46 <AndrewSavory>patrickhlauke: I like it ... "NEXT SLIDE PLEASE" :-) |
| Jul 06 14:49:05 <patrickhlauke>exactly |
| Jul 06 14:49:07 <Randy>I agree - doesn't Brian have a switch where he can turn the wifi off when he wants people to pay attention? |
| Jul 06 14:49:16 <AndrewSavory>that's a good idea |
| Jul 06 14:49:25 <EmTonkin>It's going pretty well so far JeremySpellerUCL: but you probably missed the best slide already. "Whose Boobs" - a Warwick blog slide. |
| Jul 06 14:49:26 <Sebastian>Jeremy, the first talk on warwick blogs was good. the lse stuff rather dull. |
| Jul 06 14:49:35 <patrickhlauke>yup that ws |
| Jul 06 14:49:39 <patrickhlauke>was the business |
| Jul 06 14:49:41 <AndrewSavory>(a good argument for an internal IRC server is being able to "turn off" mail, web etc) |
| Jul 06 14:49:43 <Stuart_Steele>he could offer the mints on the table that would get my attention |
| Jul 06 14:49:49 <JeremySpellerUCL>er - it take it this is yer man running through his, what was it, 68 slides in a half hour? |
| Jul 06 14:49:53 <MilesB>Anyone got ideas on how I chair the SE discussion group on CMS implementation without knowing anything about it? |
| Jul 06 14:49:56 <patrickhlauke>wake me up now please |
| Jul 06 14:50:04 <Sebastian>giving ISBM numbers at the end of the talk. honestly. |
| Jul 06 14:50:23 <EmTonkin>anyone know how to run a workshop when you forgot to write the slides? |
| Jul 06 14:50:30 <MilesB>hehe |
| Jul 06 14:50:36 <Randy>yes |
| Jul 06 14:50:37 <AndrewSavory>ISBM? |
| Jul 06 14:50:43 <EmTonkin>-M+N |
| Jul 06 14:50:47 <EmTonkin>probably? |
| Jul 06 14:50:48 <AndrewSavory>ah |
| Jul 06 14:50:51 <patrickhlauke>em: you wing it and say "i want this to be more of a conversation" |
| Jul 06 14:50:57 <EmTonkin>ah. |
| Jul 06 14:50:59 <EmTonkin>OK. |
| Jul 06 14:51:11 <MilesB>Thats good |
| Jul 06 14:51:11 <patrickhlauke>copout though |
| Jul 06 14:51:12 <EmTonkin>thanks for the tip... |
| Jul 06 14:51:13 <Randy>also say "and what do you think of that" a lot |
| Jul 06 14:51:15 <Sebastian>you hand out postit notes and ask them to write down 3 characteristics of a CMS |
| Jul 06 14:51:20 <patrickhlauke>hehe |
| Jul 06 14:51:22 <EmTonkin>oh boy |
| Jul 06 14:51:29 <MilesB>"I have loads of ideas, but this session is for you, so I'm going to stay quiet" |
| Jul 06 14:51:36 <Randy>perfect |
| Jul 06 14:51:40 <EmTonkin>talk amongst yourselves. I may be some time. |
| Jul 06 14:51:50 <patrickhlauke>"you'll get out of this workshop only as much as you put in" or something... |
| Jul 06 14:51:51 *EmTonkin walks out into the snow minus parka. |
| Jul 06 14:51:55 <Stuart_Steele>its a regional chatty thing now |
| Jul 06 14:51:59 <Sebastian>ask people to wear (imaginary) coloured hats and discuss the strengths and weaknesses of a CMS |
| Jul 06 14:52:09 <patrickhlauke>"i'm off for a fag...when i'm back in 20 minutes, let's discuss what you came up with" |
| Jul 06 14:52:20 <patrickhlauke>regional chat...do we have to do accents? |
| Jul 06 14:52:24 <MilesB>Don't do anything foolish Em |
| Jul 06 14:52:35 <EmTonkin>don't make me laugh. |
| Jul 06 14:52:36 <patrickhlauke>i still haven't even checked my delegate pack...hmmm |
| Jul 06 14:52:38 <MilesB>I gave up smoking <sigh> |
| Jul 06 14:52:39 <Stuart_Steele>i dont have an accent |
| Jul 06 14:52:44 <EmTonkin>oh god. I'm in the front row and I'm giggling. |
| Jul 06 14:52:50 <Sebastian>turn to your neighnour, chat to him/her for 5 mins, then each introduce each other to the group" |
| Jul 06 14:52:50 <JeremySpellerUCL>I'm still in a region |
| Jul 06 14:52:55 <patrickhlauke>LOL |
| Jul 06 14:52:57 <AndrewSavory>btw ... is it ok to blog opinions about these talks? |
| Jul 06 14:53:08 <patrickhlauke>of course why not |
| Jul 06 14:53:15 <Stuart_Steele>its live on the web |
| Jul 06 14:53:20 <owen>i am - http://www.meanboyfriend.com/overdue_ideas |
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| Jul 06 14:53:22 <Sebastian>but yoy cant quote this IRC |
| Jul 06 14:53:27 <EmTonkin>AndrewSavory: I imagine so, but I would probably try to be fairly kind because it's, well, only nice. |
| Jul 06 14:53:34 <patrickhlauke>right...my battery is dead |
| Jul 06 14:53:38 <MilesB>If you and your CMS were a starter and main course, which would they be? |
| Jul 06 14:53:48 *EmTonkin is plugging back in soon. |
| Jul 06 14:53:50 <patrickhlauke>back in a bit |
| Jul 06 14:53:54 <EmTonkin>I like centrinos. |
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| Jul 06 14:53:58 <MilesB>ttfn |
| Jul 06 14:54:06 <Sebastian>i like wall plugs and moveable chairs |
| Jul 06 14:54:07 <Stuart_Steele>50% to go |
| Jul 06 14:54:11 <Sebastian>\quit |
| Jul 06 14:54:14 *EmTonkin has 62% to go |
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| Jul 06 14:54:34 <Stuart_Steele>I'm off to the regional group, will we be able to still connect from other rooms |
| Jul 06 14:54:37 <EmTonkin>still. *sigh* parallel session time. |
| Jul 06 14:54:42 <MilesB>31% or 53 minutes remaining |
| Jul 06 14:54:43 <EmTonkin>I imagine so... |
| Jul 06 14:55:11 <EmTonkin>but unfortunately as I am supposed to be facilitating a workshop I may not be very talkative. Unless I persuade the two people who turn up to give up and head off to the pub. |
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| Jul 06 14:55:26 *EmTonkin heads off for some liquid refreshment. |
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| Jul 06 15:24:50 <Greg_Tourte>hello |
| Jul 06 15:24:59 <Greg_Tourte>btw the port is now open# |
| Jul 06 15:25:04 <EmTonkin>oh right |
| Jul 06 15:25:08 <EmTonkin>if only it was for us :( |
| Jul 06 15:26:09 <Greg_Tourte>but at least if people want to tunnel through their own network, they can |
| Jul 06 15:27:52 <EmTonkin>true |
| Jul 06 15:28:39 *EmTonkin is a bit worried about the workshop thingy |
| Jul 06 15:28:47 *EmTonkin doesn't really want to do it |
| Jul 06 15:28:50 <EmTonkin>bah |
| Jul 06 15:30:20 <Greg_Tourte>fair enough |
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| Jul 06 16:11:28 <patrickhlauke>ho hum... |
| Jul 06 16:11:38 <MilesB>I'm in future proofing collaboration tools |
| Jul 06 16:11:47 <MilesB>Wot u up to? |
| Jul 06 16:11:55 <patrickhlauke>gathering user requirements...not my first choice, but hey |
| Jul 06 16:12:52 <MilesB>Just being filled in to caves - bit like holodecks allegedly - wow! |
| Jul 06 16:18:08 <patrickhlauke>we have a CAVE at salford. it's actually underwhelming...lots of gaffer tape and bits of cardboard behind the scenes ;) |
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| Jul 06 16:21:33 <MilesB>Ah - not so "holo" more "hollow"? |
| Jul 06 16:21:34 <MilesB>Sorry |
| Jul 06 16:21:43 <Greg_Tourte>hey hey |
| Jul 06 16:21:45 <patrickhlauke>heh |
| Jul 06 16:22:19 <patrickhlauke>i'm the only one with a laptop here...i'm getting weird looks |
| Jul 06 16:23:31 <Stuart_Steele>which one are you in |
| Jul 06 16:23:32 <Stuart_Steele>? |
| Jul 06 16:23:51 <patrickhlauke>gathering user needs...not my first choice |
| Jul 06 16:23:55 <patrickhlauke>you? |
| Jul 06 16:24:28 <Stuart_Steele>thrid party servces into portals |
| Jul 06 16:24:35 <Stuart_Steele>not quite what I expected |
| Jul 06 16:24:46 <Stuart_Steele>although I MAY of missed the intro |
| Jul 06 16:24:52 <patrickhlauke>hmm...was that something with RSS and stuff? |
| Jul 06 16:25:16 <Stuart_Steele>erm no its about portals and third part y services |
| Jul 06 16:26:06 <Stuart_Steele>the guy talking is quite good but there is a slight techie battle going on |
| Jul 06 16:26:13 <patrickhlauke>ah, getting mixed up with another one i read about |
| Jul 06 16:27:19 <Stuart_Steele>someone is very interested in protocals when its clearly a theory based discussion |
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| Jul 06 16:27:59 <patrickhlauke>heh...there's always those people who can't see the wood for the trees |
| Jul 06 16:28:18 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>someones piped op to level the playing field |
| Jul 06 16:33:27 <patrickhlauke>hurrah....somebody just mentioned jakob nielsen...was waiting for that one |
| Jul 06 16:33:59 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>DOes the guy have long hair |
| Jul 06 16:34:17 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>chin length a little kurt kobain-ish? |
| Jul 06 16:34:28 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>buzz-word bingo |
| Jul 06 16:34:59 <patrickhlauke>nah tracey hunt from cambridge |
| Jul 06 16:35:23 <patrickhlauke>but kobainish is sitting next to me, if it's the same guy you mean :) |
| Jul 06 16:38:46 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>hes called nick Meara, introduce yourself |
| Jul 06 16:39:04 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>normally wears green/kharki/ |
| Jul 06 16:39:44 <MilesB>I should have been more techie for this I think |
| Jul 06 16:40:14 <patrickhlauke>what are they talking about now, miles? |
| Jul 06 16:40:35 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>Which one you sitting in MilesB |
| Jul 06 16:41:04 <patrickhlauke>building a holodeck...aeh...future proofing collaborative tools |
| Jul 06 16:41:28 <CGI555>I'm in Tom Frnklin's session (WSRP, SOAP, etc.) Brian |
| Jul 06 16:41:42 <MilesB>What happens to new technologies over time |
| Jul 06 16:41:43 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>are you at the back CGI555? |
| Jul 06 16:42:03 <MilesB>On screen was slide of lots of ancronyms |
| Jul 06 16:42:03 *Stuart_Steele_Aston front row my the projector |
| Jul 06 16:42:15 *Stuart_Steele_Aston front row by the projector |
| Jul 06 16:42:38 <MilesB>However - this is also quite philosophical - and I'm not really that either! ooops |
| Jul 06 16:43:10 <patrickhlauke>hmmm...sounds like it could have been interesting for me that one |
| Jul 06 16:43:33 <patrickhlauke>i'm sort of a philosophical techie...and a devil's advocate. i'd stir stuff up a bit :) |
| Jul 06 16:44:59 <MilesB>Open Office is now crashing |
| Jul 06 16:45:07 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>nice |
| Jul 06 16:45:09 <patrickhlauke>on the presenter's laptop? |
| Jul 06 16:45:10 <MilesB>On the speaker's pc not mine |
| Jul 06 16:45:13 <patrickhlauke>heh |
| Jul 06 16:45:29 <patrickhlauke>where's sebasthian? open source, open source... |
| Jul 06 16:45:59 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>has anyon got internet access from their hotel room? |
| Jul 06 16:47:31 <patrickhlauke>to me this doesn't feel like a conference, as i live about 10 minutes away from here :( |
| Jul 06 16:47:42 <patrickhlauke>it's not a conference unless i have to travel 2 hours by train... |
| Jul 06 16:47:56 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>1:56 by train |
| Jul 06 16:48:07 <patrickhlauke>where you from? |
| Jul 06 16:48:14 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>dudley |
| Jul 06 16:48:24 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>aston uni |
| Jul 06 16:48:30 <patrickhlauke>i'm the web person for university of salford |
| Jul 06 16:49:02 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>as your local, does the manchester aquatic centre have proper swimming pools |
| Jul 06 16:49:22 <patrickhlauke>aeh...no idea, soz. i'd think so though |
| Jul 06 16:49:58 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>i dont mind as long as its not a *fun pool* |
| Jul 06 16:50:33 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>I am specifically responsible for aston business school |
| Jul 06 16:51:20 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>little group time, going to do some chatting |
| Jul 06 16:51:27 <patrickhlauke>okeydokey |
| Jul 06 16:51:31 <patrickhlauke>speak later :) |
| Jul 06 16:51:58 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>ta ta |
| Jul 06 16:53:35 <patrickhlauke>right...card sort time for us ... whoppee doooh |
| Jul 06 16:53:37 <patrickhlauke>laters |
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| Jul 07 01:57:07 <Greg>test |
| Jul 07 01:57:17 <Greg>:-P |
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| Jul 07 02:01:53 <Anon9231>:-P |
| Jul 07 02:02:34 <Anon9231>:) |
| Jul 07 02:02:36 <Anon9231>:-) |
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| Jul 07 02:03:49 <Anon3754>:-P |
| Jul 07 02:03:54 <Anon3754>:-) |
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| Jul 07 02:05:27 <Anon5992>:-P |
| Jul 07 02:05:29 <Anon5992>:-) |
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| Jul 07 02:06:40 <Greg>for the record there is a new client available but this time as a java apllet |
| Jul 07 02:06:44 <Greg>applet rather |
| Jul 07 02:07:16 <Greg>it requires local connection though unlike cgi:irc |
| Jul 07 02:07:37 <Greg>but the interface is nicer and it is less stressfull for the server |
| Jul 07 02:07:52 <Greg>http://dev.ukoln.ac.uk/irc/pjirc |
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| Jul 07 08:55:29 <AndrewSavory>Goooood morning! |
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| Jul 07 09:04:49 <AndrewSavory>Hi Sebastian |
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| Jul 07 09:05:12 <AndrewSavory>mornin |
| Jul 07 09:05:27 <SebastianRahtz>once more unto the breech |
| Jul 07 09:05:40 <JonWarbrick>Good morning all |
| Jul 07 09:05:48 <AndrewSavory>was there a service for viewing presentation slides real-time over the inkernet? |
| Jul 07 09:06:45 <JonWarbrick>There's Jybe, but I don't know if we are usin it |
| Jul 07 09:07:59 <Randy>massification? |
| Jul 07 09:09:46 <Randy>excellent - education is cheaper than prison |
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| Jul 07 09:11:13 <MilesB>Morning all |
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| Jul 07 09:14:21 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>morning |
| Jul 07 09:14:45 <SebastianRahtz>800 years? my university had been going for 200 years by then |
| Jul 07 09:15:16 <SebastianRahtz>is Phoenix near Amarillo? |
| Jul 07 09:15:31 <MilesB>WHelp! |
| Jul 07 09:15:42 <MilesB>My input box has disappeared |
| Jul 07 09:15:50 <MilesB>I'm typing blind |
| Jul 07 09:15:55 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>have you re-sized your screen? |
| Jul 07 09:16:03 <MilesB>Oops |
| Jul 07 09:16:04 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>sorry window |
| Jul 07 09:16:14 <MilesB>Phew |
| Jul 07 09:16:28 <MilesB>Found it - what a technological triumph |
| Jul 07 09:16:29 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>so who stayed up latest? |
| Jul 07 09:16:44 -->MichaelW (c242176a@rox-F526CC2.bath.ac.uk) has joined #iwmw-2005 |
| Jul 07 09:16:50 <MilesB>Only 1 |
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| Jul 07 09:17:53 <SebastianRahtz>I wish this bloke would come to Oxford and shake us up |
| Jul 07 09:18:06 <MilesB>I agree - he should tour |
| Jul 07 09:18:30 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>we should play buzz-word bingo |
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| Jul 07 09:19:12 <MilesB>We have lights out tech. at Kent |
| Jul 07 09:19:23 <MilesB>turn too many on and the lights go out |
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| Jul 07 09:19:58 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>I used to work at a council, the power cut off switch in the server room was behind the door, |
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| Jul 07 09:20:21 <MilesB>hehe |
| Jul 07 09:20:30 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>it was light standing next to concorde when it powers down |
| Jul 07 09:20:43 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>then the Ups's's's' begin to beep |
| Jul 07 09:20:55 <MilesB>A guy at Kent tripped and hit the power off with his head |
| Jul 07 09:21:21 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>rofl |
| Jul 07 09:21:25 <Tim>hey did you notice the first 'paradigm' of the day? |
| Jul 07 09:21:42 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>hey, where can I buy this new device? |
| Jul 07 09:22:02 <MilesB>catability |
| Jul 07 09:22:06 <SebastianRahtz>and all this, even before we have the poxy olympics |
| Jul 07 09:22:06 <JMHarmer>we had someone plug in a big drill in our m/c room - into the 1st socket he found - the web server UPS! fun... |
| Jul 07 09:22:10 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>he needs to work for palm |
| Jul 07 09:22:43 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>hey the olympics is a great thing.... |
| Jul 07 09:22:57 <JMHarmer>Do these new roll-out PDAs come with a picnic table to support all the rolled out bits? |
| Jul 07 09:23:06 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>....for london, if they build me a 50m pool in brimingham I'll be happy |
| Jul 07 09:24:19 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>damm, my typings bad :( |
| Jul 07 09:24:33 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>brb |
| Jul 07 09:27:10 <MilesB>two double ten |
| Jul 07 09:27:14 <MilesB>21010 |
| Jul 07 09:27:17 <MilesB>wow |
| Jul 07 09:27:25 <SebastianRahtz>ooh er the font has changed |
| Jul 07 09:27:30 <JeremySpellerUCL>did he mean that? |
| Jul 07 09:27:33 <JMHarmer>future planning par excellence... |
| Jul 07 09:27:37 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>does this mean we'll have these deveices for the olympics |
| Jul 07 09:28:32 <JMHarmer>perhaps PDA usage will be a new olympic sport... |
| Jul 07 09:29:15 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>they have a txt message championships somewhere, the number of words per minute |
| Jul 07 09:30:13 <MilesB>How about PDA throwing |
| Jul 07 09:30:19 <Tim>you need to be good at speed reading for these slides |
| Jul 07 09:30:21 <SebastianRahtz>why do people always believe Gartner? |
| Jul 07 09:30:35 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>obviously he didn't |
| Jul 07 09:30:47 <SebastianRahtz>has anyone been back and checked their past stuff? |
| Jul 07 09:30:59 <JeremySpellerUCL>whose stuff |
| Jul 07 09:31:09 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>Gartners |
| Jul 07 09:31:12 <SebastianRahtz>gartners |
| Jul 07 09:31:13 <JMHarmer>Gartner is expensive thus management trust them - like the consultants we keep getting to tell us what to do... |
| Jul 07 09:31:36 <SebastianRahtz>i've changed my mind, i dont want this man coming to oxford thanx |
| Jul 07 09:31:55 <Randy>don't you want to be world class? |
| Jul 07 09:32:04 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>He'd have my wallet |
| Jul 07 09:32:16 <SebastianRahtz>i dont want to be in fortress manchester |
| Jul 07 09:32:25 <JeremySpellerUCL>already am if you believe our hype... |
| Jul 07 09:32:39 <MilesB>Thats a bit flower power that slide |
| Jul 07 09:32:39 <JMHarmer>I want a fortress university, gun towers and all... and a moat (?sp) |
| Jul 07 09:32:41 <Randy>does MIT describe itself as world class |
| Jul 07 09:32:56 <JeremySpellerUCL>doesn't have to |
| Jul 07 09:33:02 <Randy>exactly |
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| Jul 07 09:33:29 <MilesB>I expect Poppleton does |
| Jul 07 09:33:43 <JeremySpellerUCL>naturaly |
| Jul 07 09:33:55 <SebastianRahtz>my god he believes Microsoft! |
| Jul 07 09:34:03 <MilesB>XML or MS XML TM? |
| Jul 07 09:34:16 <JeremySpellerUCL>yup - run evrything from Office |
| Jul 07 09:34:18 <MilesB>shushi? |
| Jul 07 09:34:21 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>MSXML |
| Jul 07 09:34:27 <JeremySpellerUCL>..from John Lewis? |
| Jul 07 09:34:39 <MilesB>hang on - i'm confused |
| Jul 07 09:34:43 <JeremySpellerUCL>me to |
| Jul 07 09:34:44 <Tim>maybe he meant waitrose? |
| Jul 07 09:34:48 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>I am holding |
| Jul 07 09:34:49 <MilesB>Do I get sushi from MS in XML? |
| Jul 07 09:34:55 <Randy>probably does mean free in the FSF sense |
| Jul 07 09:35:07 <MilesB>or RSS on beds of rice from John Lewis# |
| Jul 07 09:35:11 <SebastianRahtz>BLINX ist der Provider aus Berlin und bekannt für schnelle und zuverlässige Verbindungen |
| Jul 07 09:35:26 <Tim>of sushi? |
| Jul 07 09:35:30 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>key? |
| Jul 07 09:35:34 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>keh? |
| Jul 07 09:36:00 <SebastianRahtz>do you mean que? |
| Jul 07 09:36:09 <JeremySpellerUCL>aha - I'm inappropriate |
| Jul 07 09:36:19 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>nice, way of puttingthat |
| Jul 07 09:36:21 <SebastianRahtz>cant get blinx for my OS, drat |
| Jul 07 09:36:40 <SebastianRahtz>TOO MANY WORDS ON YOUR SLIDES,MATE! |
| Jul 07 09:36:41 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>isn't their an open source equiv? |
| Jul 07 09:37:25 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>Its hard to keep up, type and read the slides |
| Jul 07 09:37:37 <SebastianRahtz>w.w.w. sigh |
| Jul 07 09:37:38 <JeremySpellerUCL>I'd type then |
| Jul 07 09:37:40 <MilesB>Yup - slides on the web though - never fear |
| Jul 07 09:38:12 <JMHarmer>I never sw anyone write WWW as W.W.W. before... |
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| Jul 07 09:38:23 <MilesB>I like the ideas - sounds fun to be working at Manchester |
| Jul 07 09:38:35 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>thats a busy slide |
| Jul 07 09:39:10 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>yes, but who is actually doing the work, is it consultancy implementation |
| Jul 07 09:39:20 <JeremySpellerUCL>ask him about eh sushi |
| Jul 07 09:39:43 <JeremySpellerUCL>we're stunned mate |
| Jul 07 09:39:49 <MilesB>yep |
| Jul 07 09:39:55 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>did he just admit to stunning someone down canal street |
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| Jul 07 09:42:11 <SebastianRahtz>paul browning used to flog this data warehouse thang didnt he |
| Jul 07 09:42:25 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>Brians just sat down behind me, |
| Jul 07 09:43:34 <MilesB>Is he peeking? |
| Jul 07 09:43:54 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>hes currently trying to find his wifi point |
| Jul 07 09:43:58 <JMHarmer>is he from peeking? that's not where sushi comes from... |
| Jul 07 09:44:00 <JeremySpellerUCL>Is he in the land of the living? |
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| Jul 07 09:45:03 <JMHarmer>aww, how nice. |
| Jul 07 09:45:19 <SebastianRahtz>oooh cutting criticism of prof clark.... |
| Jul 07 09:46:10 <SebastianRahtz>i think i tried to explain XML to this bloke once |
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| Jul 07 09:47:39 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>*brians here..... |
| Jul 07 09:48:22 <JeremySpellerUCL>he's turned on and he hasn't eben shown us a slide yet! |
| Jul 07 09:48:34 <SebastianRahtz>he's tuned me on too |
| Jul 07 09:48:34 <MilesB>Ah - is he CGI555? |
| Jul 07 09:48:42 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>Brian is CGI555 |
| Jul 07 09:48:53 <MilesB>sneaky |
| Jul 07 09:48:59 <JeremySpellerUCL>Morning Brian |
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| Jul 07 09:49:15 <CGI555>How do I change my nickname? |
| Jul 07 09:49:16 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>I am sure in the opening talk about how to use wireless he said, ""choose a nickname which identifies you |
| Jul 07 09:49:24 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>do /nick brian |
| Jul 07 09:49:48 <CGI555>Hi Jeremy, have you decided how you want to do your interactive stuff? |
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| Jul 07 09:49:58 <SebastianRahtz>its a womens' prison, innit? |
| Jul 07 09:50:06 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>wooohooo |
| Jul 07 09:50:31 <JeremySpellerUCL>Still tying to get some of the technology to work Brian - speal to you later |
| Jul 07 09:50:44 <MilesB>This is fun |
| Jul 07 09:50:53 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>Theres a job at University of London |
| Jul 07 09:50:58 <dbailey635>where's manchester? cheeky! |
| Jul 07 09:51:15 <SebastianRahtz>his list is 4 years old |
| Jul 07 09:51:27 <Tim>he rae does not happen every year |
| Jul 07 09:51:34 <MilesB>its the latest RAE though |
| Jul 07 09:51:43 <Tim>the next one is 2006 i think |
| Jul 07 09:51:45 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>the rae is due in 2006 |
| Jul 07 09:51:59 <MilesB>We just got to 32 in the Guardian - we were pleased |
| Jul 07 09:52:01 <JeremySpellerUCL>no - it's 2008 |
| Jul 07 09:52:06 <SebastianRahtz>i like this. pure sledging |
| Jul 07 09:52:29 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>erm, are you sure, I out Head of school retires at the end of the rae and thats 2006 |
| Jul 07 09:52:45 <JeremySpellerUCL>def 2008 |
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| Jul 07 09:53:13 <SebastianRahtz>brian's keeping mum i see |
| Jul 07 09:53:26 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>"The main body of the assessment will take place in 2007-08, with outcomes to be published by the funding bodies in December 2008." |
| Jul 07 09:53:36 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>so were all wrong? |
| Jul 07 09:53:46 <MilesB>2008 http://www.rae.ac.uk/default.htm |
| Jul 07 09:53:53 <SebastianRahtz>thats why your head is cutting and running... |
| Jul 07 09:54:40 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>I konw nothing, but he is of an appropriate age |
| Jul 07 09:55:06 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>the top 4 people at aston are all due for retirement |
| Jul 07 09:55:26 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>I like these slides :) |
| Jul 07 09:55:50 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>brians reading non-conference stuff |
| Jul 07 09:55:53 <JeremySpellerUCL>me to |
| Jul 07 09:56:04 <SebastianRahtz>is brian configuring a web server? |
| Jul 07 09:56:13 <JeremySpellerUCL>wish he would |
| Jul 07 09:56:18 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>overdue ideas website? |
| Jul 07 09:56:30 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>sssh hes back |
| Jul 07 09:56:51 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>now hes reading to catch up with the conversation' |
| Jul 07 09:56:59 <JeremySpellerUCL>too late |
| Jul 07 09:57:23 <BrianKelly>hi world |
| Jul 07 09:57:46 <SebastianRahtz>this is your world, and welcome to it |
| Jul 07 09:59:47 <dbailey635>where's manchester? cheeky! |
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| Jul 07 09:59:58 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>its called a search engine |
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| Jul 07 10:00:32 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>oh dear dbaileys struggling |
| Jul 07 10:00:56 <MilesB>Guardian web site thing good! |
| Jul 07 10:01:02 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>bad |
| Jul 07 10:01:07 <MilesB>We were 100 out of 200 |
| Jul 07 10:01:19 <JeremySpellerUCL>Yeh - 68 and proud |
| Jul 07 10:01:27 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>167 |
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| Jul 07 10:01:32 <MilesB>ooh - hark at him with his 68 |
| Jul 07 10:02:21 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>does his VC have a computer |
| Jul 07 10:02:22 <DavidBailey>we hate the guardian too. and we came 48th |
| Jul 07 10:02:38 <JeremySpellerUCL>Did you read the guy who design No 2 and No 179 at pretty much the same time to the same standards? |
| Jul 07 10:03:05 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>really |
| Jul 07 10:03:26 <JeremySpellerUCL>I'll remember his name in a minute |
| Jul 07 10:03:32 <SebastianRahtz>head |
| Jul 07 10:03:32 <DavidBailey>he was prety scathing of the ressearch |
| Jul 07 10:03:43 <DavidBailey>paul boaf |
| Jul 07 10:03:47 <JeremySpellerUCL>headscape |
| Jul 07 10:04:04 <DavidBailey>boag? |
| Jul 07 10:04:05 <SebastianRahtz>he has an agenda tho, selling hisself |
| Jul 07 10:04:40 <BrianKelly>I emailed him last week. Would it be worth invited him to speak next year? |
| Jul 07 10:05:09 <JeremySpellerUCL>he sounded quite interesting if a bit self-satisfied |
| Jul 07 10:05:42 <BrianKelly>BTW the transcript of this discussion will be open to all. |
| Jul 07 10:06:20 <JeremySpellerUCL>Oh dear, how sad, never mind... |
| Jul 07 10:06:29 <DavidBailey>that means we have to check our spelling folks. |
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| Jul 07 10:08:02 <Tim>explosion on london underground. entire network closed!! |
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| Jul 07 10:10:06 <JeremySpellerUCL>explosion where? |
| Jul 07 10:10:15 <Tim>liverpool street |
| Jul 07 10:10:35 <JeremySpellerUCL>Grief |
| Jul 07 10:10:40 <Tim>metropolitan line, two trains collided, several wounded |
| Jul 07 10:10:58 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>Tthe bbc site is grinding? |
| Jul 07 10:11:02 <JMHarmer>bbc news site not responding - u saw the news report? prrsumably everyone else is trying to now. |
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| Jul 07 10:11:16 <Tim>try the blessed guardian |
| Jul 07 10:13:08 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>okay whos running squid? |
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| Jul 07 10:14:00 <BrianKelly>I think David's styleis quite interesting in terms of engaging people's attention, by being so un-spin-doctored |
| Jul 07 10:14:15 <JeremySpellerUCL>yes - very refreshing |
| Jul 07 10:14:25 <BrianKelly>I got thru to the BCC Wb site by reading theRSS file - and then found http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/4659093.stm |
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| Jul 07 10:14:58 <BrianKelly>Challenge for you Jeremy :-) |
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| Jul 07 10:15:12 <JeremySpellerUCL>hoho |
| Jul 07 10:15:24 <MilesB>Missed that - fell off the wlan again |
| Jul 07 10:15:48 <JeremySpellerUCL>...and it'll be after lunch and they'll all still be in the bar... |
| Jul 07 10:15:53 <BrianKelly>Hope you can cope with the knowledge that we'll all be chatting about you while you're talinh |
| Jul 07 10:16:14 <JeremySpellerUCL>I'll manage |
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| Jul 07 10:17:12 <MilesB>We are celebrating our 40th anniversary |
| Jul 07 10:17:16 <MilesB>Working weel |
| Jul 07 10:17:29 <MilesB>Except people though we were older! |
| Jul 07 10:17:48 <MilesB>History doesn't always work for you we found |
| Jul 07 10:18:20 <JeremySpellerUCL>Our lot have suddenly decided they want to be modern now |
| Jul 07 10:18:36 <MilesB>What about your lovely architecture? |
| Jul 07 10:18:59 <JeremySpellerUCL>All gone from 1 August - watch that space |
| Jul 07 10:19:05 <MilesB>I am sitting near the loudest impact typist in the room |
| Jul 07 10:19:14 <SebastianRahtz>was that explosion set off by UCL? |
| Jul 07 10:19:40 <JeremySpellerUCL>Not funny |
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| Jul 07 10:20:03 <Tim> agree, not funny at all |
| Jul 07 10:20:10 <MilesB>best move on guys |
| Jul 07 10:20:11 <SebastianRahtz>apologies. |
| Jul 07 10:21:24 <JMHarmer>i can hear that typist too but i can't see where u are. |
| Jul 07 10:21:39 <MilesB>Half way up scaffolding |
| Jul 07 10:21:51 <MilesB>right hand side as looking at speaker |
| Jul 07 10:21:58 <MilesB>She is left hand side |
| Jul 07 10:22:10 <JMHarmer>i must be abeam you lhs |
| Jul 07 10:22:21 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>we could play a wav file at the same time to indicate our locations |
| Jul 07 10:22:22 <MilesB>Ah |
| Jul 07 10:22:24 <JMHarmer>got her |
| Jul 07 10:22:35 <MilesB>She's put it away now |
| Jul 07 10:22:37 <MilesB>Phew |
| Jul 07 10:22:43 <MilesB>I like marketing |
| Jul 07 10:23:01 <JMHarmer>i like markets |
| Jul 07 10:23:10 <MilesB>flea? |
| Jul 07 10:23:19 <JMHarmer>yup, cheapskate me... |
| Jul 07 10:23:21 <JeremySpellerUCL>bull |
| Jul 07 10:23:42 <MilesB>marketing is bull or is JMHarmer not a cheapskate? |
| Jul 07 10:23:52 <JeremySpellerUCL>bull maket |
| Jul 07 10:23:56 <JMHarmer>or bull markets? |
| Jul 07 10:23:57 <MilesB>oh |
| Jul 07 10:24:02 <JMHarmer>ah u beat me to it |
| Jul 07 10:24:58 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>is there anyway to tab around the tabs in firefox? |
| Jul 07 10:25:04 <--Randy has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) |
| Jul 07 10:25:09 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>akin to the alt-tab thing in widnows |
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| Jul 07 10:26:18 <JeremySpellerUCL>well done him - very good |
| Jul 07 10:26:19 <MilesB>Just my favourite talk so far |
| Jul 07 10:26:37 <DavidBailey>great speaker! |
| Jul 07 10:27:27 <MilesB>Royal Egham |
| Jul 07 10:27:37 <SebastianRahtz>next to heathrow |
| Jul 07 10:27:47 <JeremySpellerUCL>at least they lost Bedford |
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| Jul 07 10:28:39 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>dunno the warwick one was pretty cool |
| Jul 07 10:28:40 <JMHarmer>ooo, tea time |
| Jul 07 10:28:44 <JMHarmer>ttfn. |
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| Jul 07 10:28:49 <JeremySpellerUCL>see ya |
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| Jul 07 10:29:45 <owen>tabs in FF use alt+number |
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| Jul 07 11:05:05 <Greg_Tourte>morning all! |
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| Jul 07 11:05:51 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>morning again |
| Jul 07 11:05:53 <JMHarmer>morning. |
| Jul 07 11:05:57 <JeremySpellerUCL>hi |
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| Jul 07 11:06:36 <MilesB>Hello again |
| Jul 07 11:07:07 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>wheres randy |
| Jul 07 11:07:15 ---CGI555 is now known as BrianKelly |
| Jul 07 11:07:17 <JeremySpellerUCL>it's for austronauts? |
| Jul 07 11:07:18 <SebastianRahtz>next to me |
| Jul 07 11:07:31 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>is he not coming online? |
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| Jul 07 11:08:24 <Em_Tonkin>sorry if anyone got that "throttled: reconnecting too fast" |
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| Jul 07 11:08:47 *Em_Tonkin fixes |
| Jul 07 11:09:30 <SebastianRahtz>scary stuff with bombs. not impossible mchester next? |
| Jul 07 11:10:32 >Greg_Tourte<I have changed a setting on unrealircd. Do I need to HUP it? |
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| Jul 07 11:11:12 <AndrewSavory>Sebastian: unlikely imho |
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| Jul 07 11:11:22 <JeremySpellerUCL>very scary - one right next to where I walk every morning at the time I would have been there - makes you think... |
| Jul 07 11:11:23 *AndrewSavory tempts fate |
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| Jul 07 11:11:42 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>LOondon is an easy target most of the Uk police are in scotland at the moment |
| Jul 07 11:12:02 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>randy: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/05/11/review_dell_inspiron_xps/ |
| Jul 07 11:13:42 <JeremySpellerUCL>It's nothing like Brian!! |
| Jul 07 11:14:33 <EmTonkin>that XPS looks a lot like a desktop masquerading as a luggable |
| Jul 07 11:14:57 <Randy>Thanks Stuart! |
| Jul 07 11:15:16 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>erm yep, |
| Jul 07 11:15:27 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>but think, Doom 3 on the go |
| Jul 07 11:15:50 <Randy>3.9 kg is too heavy for me - I'm only little |
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| Jul 07 11:15:58 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>no comment |
| Jul 07 11:16:30 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>thats why we have pilot cases now |
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| Jul 07 11:16:40 <MilesB>oops - browser crash |
| Jul 07 11:16:49 <SebastianRahtz>someone explain the connect between Franklinoncms, london bombs, and game pcs? |
| Jul 07 11:16:55 <AndrewSavory>EmTonkin: if anyone suggests kebab tonight, tell me not to please? |
| Jul 07 11:16:59 <MilesB>I was going to ask if previous slide meant drug smoking priests were running the CMS |
| Jul 07 11:17:15 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>are you suffering dear? |
| Jul 07 11:17:15 <EmTonkin>hehe |
| Jul 07 11:17:23 <AndrewSavory>bit of a sore head ;-) |
| Jul 07 11:17:36 <EmTonkin>see, your mistake was *eating* it |
| Jul 07 11:17:37 *Stuart_Steele_Aston stands 20 paces frin eM |
| Jul 07 11:17:38 <AndrewSavory>oh lord, swindon and brighton next |
| Jul 07 11:18:15 <AndrewSavory>EmTonkin: yeah, probably. but i have to have -something- to blame the dodgy stomach on, other than the 50 pints ;-) |
| Jul 07 11:18:23 <EmTonkin>hehe |
| Jul 07 11:18:43 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>50 pints = 1 man party |
| Jul 07 11:18:50 <MilesB>I'm having trouble recording this talk - too many pictures and too many questions |
| Jul 07 11:19:07 <MilesB>Won't be hiring him them |
| Jul 07 11:19:10 <SebastianRahtz>swindon and brighton next what? |
| Jul 07 11:19:27 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>he was in my paralell session |
| Jul 07 11:19:28 <MilesB>Ok - whos got the sugar plum fairy ring tone |
| Jul 07 11:19:32 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>lol |
| Jul 07 11:19:35 <EmTonkin>bless |
| Jul 07 11:19:54 <AndrewSavory>Sebastian: Swindon and Brighton rail stations shut |
| Jul 07 11:19:59 <EmTonkin>oh |
| Jul 07 11:20:00 <AndrewSavory>all central london bus services stopped |
| Jul 07 11:20:38 <JMHarmer>sugar plumb was near me... |
| Jul 07 11:21:36 <AndrewSavory>eh, looks like they've blocked FTP port too. Cretins! |
| Jul 07 11:21:42 <SebastianRahtz>1120 Tony Blair will be making a live, televised statement on the crisis at midday |
| Jul 07 11:21:44 <SebastianRahtz>use VPN |
| Jul 07 11:21:53 <AndrewSavory>"we'll provide wifi, but render it useless..." |
| Jul 07 11:22:05 <AndrewSavory>Sebastian: yup, bouncing off my server atm, but PITA! |
| Jul 07 11:22:10 <EmTonkin>Tony Blair will be making a televised statement? Great - my confidence in the nation is restored. |
| Jul 07 11:22:15 <MilesB>now now |
| Jul 07 11:22:33 <MilesB>Did you hear Rory bremner explaining how to do Tony? |
| Jul 07 11:22:42 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>WHO IS THIS? http://www.aston.ac.uk/alumni/apex/apex05/vc.jsp |
| Jul 07 11:23:06 <MilesB>He said you use the body language that says "Why can't you see, I'm doing this cause I love you?" |
| Jul 07 11:23:25 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>lol |
| Jul 07 11:23:25 <AndrewSavory>perhaps Tone could send some of his stormtroopers back from the G8 party |
| Jul 07 11:23:26 <SebastianRahtz>sounds like Brian Kelly |
| Jul 07 11:23:26 <EmTonkin>hehe |
| Jul 07 11:24:38 <MilesB>Ho ho |
| Jul 07 11:25:08 <EmTonkin>sorry. My sense of humour appears to have reached a new low |
| Jul 07 11:25:32 <MilesB>I would tell you who just beeped but he's sitting next to me and on IRC so I'm scared! |
| Jul 07 11:25:54 <EmTonkin>incidentally I don't know if Greg mentioned it earlier, but I understand that port 6667 is now open on dev.ukoln.ac.uk if anyone feels like using it |
| Jul 07 11:26:11 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>no one mentioned it |
| Jul 07 11:26:22 <MilesB>Oh god - what is port 6667 please? |
| Jul 07 11:26:35 <MilesB>Tell me 666 isn't the port number of the beast |
| Jul 07 11:26:36 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>i thought that was the irc port? |
| Jul 07 11:26:53 <MilesB>A portal is like an iceberg |
| Jul 07 11:26:57 <Greg_Tourte>6667 is the standard irc port |
| Jul 07 11:26:59 <MilesB>Help me |
| Jul 07 11:27:13 <SebastianRahtz>what does that mean in practice? |
| Jul 07 11:27:21 <Randy>it's cold and lifeless |
| Jul 07 11:27:54 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>help you what? |
| Jul 07 11:28:05 <JeremySpellerUCL>don't go there |
| Jul 07 11:28:11 <MilesB>! |
| Jul 07 11:28:13 <SebastianRahtz>how do I use xchat then, knowing this magic number 6667? |
| Jul 07 11:28:19 <EmTonkin>it is the standard irc port. Ergo you can tunnel to it if you feel like using a more exciting client |
| Jul 07 11:28:20 <Greg_Tourte>it means that if at your end they let you connect to irc servers, you can use your favorite irc client to connect to this server instead of the CGI::IRC |
| Jul 07 11:28:34 <MilesB>I meant spare me from iceberg analogies |
| Jul 07 11:28:45 <Greg_Tourte>SebastianRahtz: you shouldn't need to specify the port number as 6667 is the default |
| Jul 07 11:28:55 <EmTonkin>but you will need to bounce off another server, because irc ports are closed from here afaik. |
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| Jul 07 11:29:03 <savs>wooohoooo! |
| Jul 07 11:29:05 <JeremySpellerUCL>"favourite" and "IRC" are surely mutually exclusive? |
| Jul 07 11:29:07 <Greg_Tourte>simply connect using /server dev.ukoln.ac.uk |
| Jul 07 11:29:08 <savs>a decent irc client :-) |
| Jul 07 11:29:20 <EmTonkin>now now. I *like* IRC. |
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| Jul 07 11:29:39 <MilesB>Arrrggggghhhhh |
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| Jul 07 11:30:16 <EmTonkin>if it was good enough for 1994... ;) |
| Jul 07 11:30:34 <MilesB>Ok - all conclusions brought to us through the medium of art should be discouraged |
| Jul 07 11:30:43 <MilesB>It wil be balloon modelling next |
| Jul 07 11:30:57 <JeremySpellerUCL>...it's good enough for 1984 |
| Jul 07 11:31:11 <MilesB>Note to self: don't minute that in Ariadne report |
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| Jul 07 11:31:28 <SebastianRahtz_>so this is chatzilla. |
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| Jul 07 11:32:04 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>which ssid do i need to be connected to |
| Jul 07 11:32:09 <SebastianRahtz>conference |
| Jul 07 11:32:26 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>and whats the IRC server called? |
| Jul 07 11:32:29 <MilesB>Does conference bounce you after an hour, or only university? |
| Jul 07 11:32:44 <Greg_Tourte>Stuart_Steele_Aston: dev.ukoln.ac.uk |
| Jul 07 11:32:54 <SebastianRahtz>only university i think. i met that a few weeks ago. conference us friendlier |
| Jul 07 11:32:59 <EmTonkin>conference doesn't seem to bounce you off |
| Jul 07 11:33:14 <MilesB>Right - I'm trying conference - see you in a min. |
| Jul 07 11:33:43 <AndrewSavory>is there a tv in the bar? |
| Jul 07 11:33:56 <AndrewSavory>(or anywhere nearby) |
| Jul 07 11:34:09 <EmTonkin>i suppose so |
| Jul 07 11:34:13 <AndrewSavory>don't wanna miss Neighb^w tony's speech |
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| Jul 07 11:34:38 <EmTonkin>I can live without watching it to be frank. |
| Jul 07 11:34:41 <AndrewSavory>SebastianRahtz: what vpn solution do you use? |
| Jul 07 11:35:03 <SebastianRahtz>vpnc under linux |
| Jul 07 11:35:11 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>:( mirc wont connect |
| Jul 07 11:35:19 <JeremySpellerUCL>I keep trying my Cisco one and it don't work |
| Jul 07 11:35:30 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>i cant get the cisco client to work either |
| Jul 07 11:35:32 <SebastianRahtz>open source rulez |
| Jul 07 11:35:45 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>is there a win32 version of chatzilla |
| Jul 07 11:35:52 <AndrewSavory>Stuart_Steele_Aston: you need to go via a tunnel to the outside ... |
| Jul 07 11:35:56 <JeremySpellerUCL>Cisco at "home" - have to use it |
| Jul 07 11:35:57 <EmTonkin>if you have putty you can always just tunnel through that. |
| Jul 07 11:36:14 <SebastianRahtz>isnt chatzilla just a firefox plugin? |
| Jul 07 11:36:20 <JeremySpellerUCL>yes |
| Jul 07 11:36:22 <EmTonkin>yeah |
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| Jul 07 11:36:50 <MilesB>Ok - back now |
| Jul 07 11:37:38 <JeremySpellerUCL>Anyone feel qualified to help me tunnel out of here? I need vpn or some such for part of my talk this pm |
| Jul 07 11:37:40 <SebastianRahtz>looks like a rerun of Madrid from what i can see in guardian |
| Jul 07 11:37:52 <SebastianRahtz>what OS, Jeremy? |
| Jul 07 11:37:59 <JeremySpellerUCL>OSX |
| Jul 07 11:38:03 <EmTonkin>a much smaller rerun of Madrid, then |
| Jul 07 11:38:13 <EmTonkin>unless the BBC's reporting is wildly wrong |
| Jul 07 11:38:24 <AndrewSavory>JeremySpellerUCL: get fugu |
| Jul 07 11:38:25 <SebastianRahtz>hard to tell, surely? |
| Jul 07 11:38:34 <AndrewSavory>http://rsug.itd.umich.edu/software/fugu/ |
| Jul 07 11:38:46 <JeremySpellerUCL>how does it work savs+ |
| Jul 07 11:38:48 <AndrewSavory>do you have an external server you can log into via ssh? |
| Jul 07 11:38:56 <JeremySpellerUCL>possibly |
| Jul 07 11:39:02 <AndrewSavory>whereabouts are you? I can show you after this |
| Jul 07 11:39:28 <JeremySpellerUCL>4th row from the back, lhs looking forward |
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| Jul 07 11:40:15 <AndrewSavory>ok ... if you want to wander down to the group of people huddled around the power sockets on front right, i can help you sort it out |
| Jul 07 11:40:28 <JeremySpellerUCL>Ta |
| Jul 07 11:40:39 <EmTonkin>six explosions apparently |
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| Jul 07 11:41:23 <EmTonkin>and the president of the EU parliament just in the words of the bbc blamed terrorism for it. |
| Jul 07 11:41:36 <JeremySpellerUCL>Need to go and get my power adapter - see you after this savs |
| Jul 07 11:41:58 <EmTonkin>oh for a better battery |
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| Jul 07 11:42:12 <stuart_steele>nope cant get on chatzilla either |
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| Jul 07 11:42:29 <stuart_steele>connected to conference |
| Jul 07 11:42:30 <JeremySpellerUCL>batteries are indeed the limiting factor of mobile technology... |
| Jul 07 11:42:37 <SebastianRahtz>which terrorists tho. G8elated? or the usual. |
| Jul 07 11:42:48 <stuart_steele>noit when your 8ft from a plug |
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| Jul 07 11:43:45 <stuart_steele>bbc website seems a little faster now |
| Jul 07 11:43:59 <EmTonkin>I expect Blair will let us know who to blame |
| Jul 07 11:44:25 <EmTonkin>rather surprised noone has declared themselves responsible yet |
| Jul 07 11:45:27 <stuart_steele>its obviously Terror related as Prim Blair will be doing a TV thang |
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| Jul 07 11:45:48 <EmTonkin>or terror relatable, as it were. |
| Jul 07 11:45:55 <AndrewSavory>perhaps tone just wanted to get out of boring talks with bush etc |
| Jul 07 11:46:30 <SebastianRahtz>perhaps he'll blame it on global warming then |
| Jul 07 11:46:37 <stuart_steele>He could borrow bushes slides |
| Jul 07 11:47:22 <stuart_steele>the guy sitting next to me has just vpn'd out no problem |
| Jul 07 11:47:31 <stuart_steele>*gutted* |
| Jul 07 11:47:42 <SebastianRahtz>someone summarize Franklin for me, I havent been paying attention |
| Jul 07 11:47:53 <JeremySpellerUCL>which guy, with what |
| Jul 07 11:48:09 <stuart_steele>do you know where I am? |
| Jul 07 11:48:12 <JeremySpellerUCL>no |
| Jul 07 11:48:17 <AndrewSavory>er, manchester? ;-) |
| Jul 07 11:48:39 <EmTonkin>what I've got out of it thus far is effectively: people don't like inadequately targeted software. |
| Jul 07 11:48:43 <stuart_steele>left by pillar sitting cross legged on the left side |
| Jul 07 11:49:17 <stuart_steele>i am getting some water take note |
| Jul 07 11:49:18 <JeremySpellerUCL>got you - which is excellent news as you're sitting next to my collaborator!! |
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| Jul 07 11:49:31 <EmTonkin>probably a good point to make, really. |
| Jul 07 11:49:41 <MilesB>Sebastian can't stop beeping |
| Jul 07 11:49:46 <MilesB>Oops - gave it away! |
| Jul 07 11:49:56 <SebastianRahtz>how do you stop thunderbird beeping? |
| Jul 07 11:50:07 <EmTonkin>stuart_steele: for a minute I thought you were going to stand on my foot there ;) |
| Jul 07 11:50:08 <Greg_Tourte>xset -b? |
| Jul 07 11:50:10 <JeremySpellerUCL>turn all sound off?? |
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| Jul 07 11:50:18 <EmTonkin>speakerectomy |
| Jul 07 11:50:19 <MilesB>Ah - good q |
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| Jul 07 11:51:41 <EmTonkin>(if he writes a paper about collaborative newsreading in a conference setting...) |
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| Jul 07 12:08:51 <Greg_Tourte>woops? what happened? |
| Jul 07 12:09:07 <Greg_Tourte>somebody tripped over the wireless access point? |
| Jul 07 12:10:07 <AndrewSavory>weird |
| Jul 07 12:10:13 <AndrewSavory>all the web users gone? |
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| Jul 07 12:13:58 <AndrewSavory>hi JeremySpellerUCL ... need help with fugu? |
| Jul 07 12:17:10 <Greg_Tourte>well Sebastian was not using CGI:IRC so it is not only that |
| Jul 07 12:18:08 <AndrewSavory>true |
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| Jul 07 12:27:08 <JeremySpellerUCL>thanks andrew - found that my collaborator had managed a VPN connection on his machine. Still annoyed that the Toshiba beat the Mac on this occasion!!! |
| Jul 07 12:27:58 <AndrewSavory>heh |
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| Jul 07 13:57:20 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>wb |
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| Jul 07 13:57:59 <MilesB>Hello there |
| Jul 07 13:58:15 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>someone new or brian without a username again |
| Jul 07 13:58:36 <MilesB>Ah - cgi932, who are you? |
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| Jul 07 14:00:31 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>i am me |
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| Jul 07 14:00:58 <CGI932>barbara, but I have no idea how to put my name in |
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| Jul 07 14:01:30 <AndrewSavory>what's with the suit?! |
| Jul 07 14:01:34 <MilesB>Huh - whats his excuse? |
| Jul 07 14:01:39 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>suit :) |
| Jul 07 14:01:46 <AndrewSavory>;-) |
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| Jul 07 14:02:04 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>hmmn I think I am lagging |
| Jul 07 14:02:21 <MadScot>I like it's big, it's old and it's in London |
| Jul 07 14:02:40 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>isnt that like ken clarke |
| Jul 07 14:03:02 <MilesB>What is the project? |
| Jul 07 14:03:13 <AndrewSavory>apparently UCL have lost comms, so the live demo part of this may not work |
| Jul 07 14:03:19 <MilesB>Hooray! |
| Jul 07 14:03:29 <MilesB>:-( |
| Jul 07 14:03:40 <AndrewSavory>i have anti-lag ;-) |
| Jul 07 14:04:17 <AndrewSavory>hey, how many mac users here? |
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| Jul 07 14:05:03 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>show off |
| Jul 07 14:05:07 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>:P |
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| Jul 07 14:06:19 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>oooh\busy |
| Jul 07 14:06:39 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>wheres Seb? |
| Jul 07 14:06:52 <JMHarmer>bottom right at the front |
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| Jul 07 14:07:00 <MilesB>Trying to shut up his laptop! |
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| Jul 07 14:09:34 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>welcome back cgi555 |
| Jul 07 14:09:43 <MilesB>Good name |
| Jul 07 14:10:01 <MilesB>Isit /nick to give yourself a name? |
| Jul 07 14:10:09 <CGI555>nick /BrianKelly |
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| Jul 07 14:10:24 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>erm /nick |
| Jul 07 14:10:28 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>woo hoo |
| Jul 07 14:10:31 <JMHarmer>brian, we all know you as cgi555 anyway! |
| Jul 07 14:11:03 <AndrewSavory>http://www-us.flickr.com/groups/londonexplosions/pool/ |
| Jul 07 14:11:11 <AndrewSavory>http://www-us.flickr.com/photos/planetmike/24237323/in/pool-londonexplosions/ |
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| Jul 07 14:13:12 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>de he say the editor was called poo |
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| Jul 07 14:14:14 <MilesB>Whats wrong with see page 10 |
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| Jul 07 14:14:48 <MilesB>I can relate to this slide - my paper and dtp colleagues do like things a particular way! |
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| Jul 07 14:14:59 <JMHarmer>makes me laff though when i find web pages that say 'this page intentionally left blank' |
| Jul 07 14:15:07 <MilesB>hoho |
| Jul 07 14:15:38 <MilesB>PTO is always good too |
| Jul 07 14:15:54 <BrianKelly>Want to add some of the comments on the Wiki? |
| Jul 07 14:15:56 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>or refer to the digram on page 11 |
| Jul 07 14:16:34 <SebastianRahtz>remind me where the wiki is, Brian |
| Jul 07 14:16:39 <JMHarmer>Wonder if anyone turns their monitor round when they see PTO... |
| Jul 07 14:16:45 <DavidBailey>see picture above when it is really to the side gets me. |
| Jul 07 14:17:31 <SebastianRahtz>if you back to "vide infra " and "vide supra", it'll suit both technologies. |
| Jul 07 14:18:49 <DavidBailey>but notbeveryone is that well educated to read latin. |
| Jul 07 14:19:41 <MilesB>I tried the wiki but two people were in it! |
| Jul 07 14:20:04 <BrianKelly>Link from http://www.ukoln.ac.uk/web-focus/events/workshops/webmaster-2005/talks/speller/ |
| Jul 07 14:20:07 <AndrewSavory>http://www.ukoln.ac.uk/web-focus/events/workshops/webmaster-2005/talks/speller/ |
| Jul 07 14:20:08 <AndrewSavory>heh oops |
| Jul 07 14:20:18 <AndrewSavory>-> You can use the Wikalong annotation service to provide comments on this page. |
| Jul 07 14:20:39 <DavidBailey>it wont let you post messages if the page has changed while you are typing |
| Jul 07 14:20:58 <AndrewSavory>i know quark is a bloated p.o.s. ;-) |
| Jul 07 14:21:11 <BrianKelly>Note that the links uses a refer page so foo and foot.html have different annoation pages |
| Jul 07 14:23:32 <SebastianRahtz>i'm a klutz. i install wikalong, but how do i make it do summat? has it added a menu item somewhere? |
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| Jul 07 14:23:50 <AndrewSavory>rofl: "How London beat Paris, I have no idea though. Must be some money changing hands again at the IOC. I mean, SUMMER Olympics in London? It's like holding the Winter Olympics in L.A." |
| Jul 07 14:23:59 <SebastianRahtz>people who cant speak Latin surely have no place in a modern university? |
| Jul 07 14:24:24 <SebastianRahtz>are you paying attention, Andrew? |
| Jul 07 14:24:33 <AndrewSavory>totally |
| Jul 07 14:24:46 <BrianKelly>NB that UKOLN is not responsible for any libellous comments made on this IRC channel :-) |
| Jul 07 14:25:04 <MilesB>Sebastian - view sidebar wikalong |
| Jul 07 14:25:06 <DavidBailey>IT staff have no need for Latin |
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| Jul 07 14:25:21 <AndrewSavory>wonder what their db schema looks like? |
| Jul 07 14:25:31 <AndrewSavory>(why do people use mysql?!) |
| Jul 07 14:25:48 <MilesB>Because it works |
| Jul 07 14:25:52 <MilesB>Its unix |
| Jul 07 14:25:57 <MilesB>its quick |
| Jul 07 14:25:57 <JMHarmer>and free |
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| Jul 07 14:26:06 <AndrewSavory>... and it's not as good as postgres |
| Jul 07 14:26:08 <MilesB>Its optimised for lightweight web apps |
| Jul 07 14:26:12 <AndrewSavory><insert flamewar here/> |
| Jul 07 14:26:17 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>free and there are some real nice web interface |
| Jul 07 14:26:24 <MilesB>Don't know postgres |
| Jul 07 14:26:33 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>i dont know mysql |
| Jul 07 14:26:34 <MilesB>Suspect php and postgres is quite good too |
| Jul 07 14:26:36 <SebastianRahtz>thats not wellformed XML |
| Jul 07 14:26:41 <JMHarmer>it's the M in LAMP... |
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| Jul 07 14:27:01 <AndrewSavory>SebastianRahtz: :-P |
| Jul 07 14:27:02 <MilesB>Whats the L, A and P? |
| Jul 07 14:27:07 <AndrewSavory>linux |
| Jul 07 14:27:09 <AndrewSavory>apache |
| Jul 07 14:27:11 <JMHarmer>linux apach mysql php |
| Jul 07 14:27:12 <AndrewSavory>php/perl |
| Jul 07 14:27:16 <MilesB>Ah |
| Jul 07 14:27:17 <SebastianRahtz>"IT staff have no need for Latin". discuss. honestly, how can you say that? I use latin every day |
| Jul 07 14:27:22 <MilesB>thanks |
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| Jul 07 14:27:40 <SebastianRahtz>this wiki is a tad clumsy |
| Jul 07 14:27:43 <AndrewSavory>SebastianRahtz: you're not an average IT staff tho ;-) |
| Jul 07 14:28:18 <DavidBailey>brave to do a demo! |
| Jul 07 14:28:53 <AndrewSavory> Sorry, this page is only available to visitors with proper credentials. |
| Jul 07 14:28:55 <AndrewSavory>awww, damn |
| Jul 07 14:29:03 <AndrewSavory>my attempts to subvert their website denied :-( |
| Jul 07 14:30:27 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>whilst they do thisw has anyone got a video of the set that James brown did at Live8? |
| Jul 07 14:30:40 <DavidBailey>this is why you should use screenshots... or at least have them handy just in case |
| Jul 07 14:31:12 <MilesB>I thought knowledge of Latin was a sine qua non when recruiting IT staff |
| Jul 07 14:31:30 <SebastianRahtz>and Greek, of course, to at least reading level |
| Jul 07 14:31:35 <MilesB>ooh, Andrews playing with the man's anatomy |
| Jul 07 14:31:49 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>that'll be the phone |
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| Jul 07 14:31:56 <SebastianRahtz>wasnt James Brown on J Ross, not live8? |
| Jul 07 14:32:01 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>both |
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| Jul 07 14:32:21 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>and I missed them both, he was on JR on friday, wed is a repeat |
| Jul 07 14:32:26 <MilesB>Hm - my greek isn't much good |
| Jul 07 14:32:35 <JMHarmer>geek or greek? |
| Jul 07 14:32:37 <MilesB>Kyrie eleison doesn't go far these days |
| Jul 07 14:33:04 <SebastianRahtz>o tempora o mores |
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| Jul 07 14:33:45 <TimM>hi adrian |
| Jul 07 14:33:46 <DavidBailey>stop showing off how well educated you are! |
| Jul 07 14:34:08 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>fingers crossed |
| Jul 07 14:34:38 <DavidBailey>they got there in the end. well done! |
| Jul 07 14:34:42 <SebastianRahtz>i know latin. you guys know IT! that makes you gods |
| Jul 07 14:34:58 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>the funny aspects of this, is the fact that quark is on the windows machine..... |
| Jul 07 14:35:04 <Randy>Gosh, I only know Sebastian. |
| Jul 07 14:35:09 <MilesB>Oh yes |
| Jul 07 14:35:13 <MilesB>Quark on windows? |
| Jul 07 14:35:24 <SebastianRahtz>this is like that saying about dogs walking on their legs |
| Jul 07 14:35:36 <JMHarmer>also funny is a room of techies applauding some tech... ;) |
| Jul 07 14:35:41 <AndrewSavory>anyone curious to see if they implemented locking? ;-) |
| Jul 07 14:35:51 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>have you seen the piccy on the bbc website of that bus? |
| Jul 07 14:35:52 <MilesB>Ice cream on toast |
| Jul 07 14:36:08 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>ouch? |
| Jul 07 14:36:09 <SebastianRahtz>yuck |
| Jul 07 14:36:44 <TimM>i can see how you can reuse addresses and names etc but have my doubts about copy |
| Jul 07 14:36:55 <TimM>sorry to be on topic ;) |
| Jul 07 14:37:40 <Adrian_Tribe>No need to apologise Tim! |
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| Jul 07 14:38:49 <AndrewSavory>why are sky reporting 45 dead but the beeb only two? is the beeb going over the top on sanitising news? |
| Jul 07 14:39:08 ---Em_Tonkin gives channel operator status to Greg_Tourte |
| Jul 07 14:39:15 <TimM>or is sky more hype?? |
| Jul 07 14:39:19 <SebastianRahtz>if was these guys I'd drop the paper entirely. |
| Jul 07 14:39:21 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>the guy who checks the bbc content is at lunch |
| Jul 07 14:39:38 <DavidBailey>they always underestimate death tolls untill an official anouncement. |
| Jul 07 14:39:52 <AndrewSavory>SebastianRahtz: if you were these guys you'd be using docbook or tei ;-) |
| Jul 07 14:40:32 <SebastianRahtz>of course. i'd have no studentson the course but the prospectus would be technically clean |
| Jul 07 14:40:40 <AndrewSavory>hehe |
| Jul 07 14:40:46 <Adrian_Tribe>We've found SITS to be limited - you certainly will need additional tables! |
| Jul 07 14:41:26 <SebastianRahtz>guardian says 45 |
| Jul 07 14:41:39 <Adrian_Tribe>It looks as though we'll be using Collage for managing the prospectus publication process |
| Jul 07 14:42:21 <Adrian_Tribe>Good question Linda!! |
| Jul 07 14:43:00 <Adrian_Tribe>I'm amazed they haven't looked at this already, as this is so important |
| Jul 07 14:43:03 <SebastianRahtz>whats Collage? |
| Jul 07 14:43:26 <Adrian_Tribe>No, we can't do it in our Zope implentation |
| Jul 07 14:43:50 <Adrian_Tribe>It's a Doc/content Management System |
| Jul 07 14:44:11 <Adrian_Tribe>And don't ask how we ended up having Zope AND Collage!! |
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| Jul 07 14:45:09 <DavidBailey>they always underestimate death tolls untill an official anouncement. |
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| Jul 07 14:46:18 <SebastianRahtz>if thats http://www.serena.com/Products/collage/home.asp a) its a blank page and b) why isnt it self-hosting.... |
| Jul 07 14:46:33 <AndrewSavory>geek?! geek?! who's he calling a geek? :-))) |
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| Jul 07 14:47:12 <Adrian_Tribe>Oh dear. That's a good advert for Collage!!! |
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| Jul 07 14:48:01 <SebastianRahtz>perhaps it detects Debian |
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| Jul 07 14:48:20 <Adrian_Tribe>It's not working for me, using WinXP |
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| Jul 07 14:48:47 <SebastianRahtz>better cancel that contract, Adrian. Ask Andrew S to bid. |
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| Jul 07 14:49:21 <Adrian_Tribe>:-) |
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| Jul 07 14:49:30 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>welcome back aqll |
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| Jul 07 14:50:57 <Adrian_Tribe>And most of those words are probably from Tony Grant and Charles Cristacopolous :-) |
| Jul 07 14:51:25 <Adrian_Tribe>Sorry, that's not charle's surname is it? |
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| Jul 07 14:52:59 <Adrian_Tribe>Good grief, haven't they got some real work to get on with?! |
| Jul 07 14:53:19 <TimM>it's always friday afternoon |
| Jul 07 14:53:21 <emmott>I think the key with email is that it is the best medium outside of realtime |
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| Jul 07 14:53:39 <Adrian_Tribe>OK Stephen, you're right! |
| Jul 07 14:53:49 <TimM>but isn't there a problem with e-mail overload |
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| Jul 07 14:54:00 <TimM>inboxes getting out of control etc |
| Jul 07 14:54:00 <emmott>I don't like in though - 300 emails waiting for me... |
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| Jul 07 14:54:08 <TimM>exactly |
| Jul 07 14:54:11 <Adrian_Tribe>tell me about it! |
| Jul 07 14:54:34 <emmott>It is isn't a criticism of email necessarily, but comminucation per se |
| Jul 07 14:54:53 <TimM>but it is what it is being used for that's important |
| Jul 07 14:54:54 <SebastianRahtz>how does email compare with forums? |
| Jul 07 14:55:03 <TimM>or the good old phone |
| Jul 07 14:55:16 <DavidBailey>it also depends how you filter and manage email |
| Jul 07 14:55:18 <emmott>phone is an interruptive technology - realtime. |
| Jul 07 14:55:28 <Adrian_Tribe>E-mail is much better - I can read and reply when it suits ME. |
| Jul 07 14:55:33 <SebastianRahtz>phone isnt comparable, its 1:1 |
| Jul 07 14:55:42 <TimM>yes but it can be very useful. one short call can replace many e-mails |
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| Jul 07 14:56:17 <TimM>i think it's about using the right 'technology' (rather call it means of communication) for the right circumstances |
| Jul 07 14:56:20 <SebastianRahtz>in the web manager list context? |
| Jul 07 14:56:24 <Adrian_Tribe>Use whatever mdium is appropriate for the query you have. |
| Jul 07 14:56:34 <DavidBailey>it also depends how you filter and manage email |
| Jul 07 14:57:01 <Adrian_Tribe>True DAvid |
| Jul 07 14:57:18 <emmott>Well, I'm talking about the email that has been filtered ie 300+ |
| Jul 07 14:57:29 <TimM>but you can only automate to a certain extent |
| Jul 07 14:57:30 <Adrian_Tribe>:-) |
| Jul 07 14:57:32 <SebastianRahtz>so if I have a CSS problem do I a) ring Patrick Lauke, b) email web-support, or c)post in a web forum |
| Jul 07 14:57:46 <AndrewSavory>http://www.flickr.com/photos/savs/24247826/ |
| Jul 07 14:58:06 <AndrewSavory>and http://www.andrewsavory.com/~savs/iwmw2.jpg ;-) |
| Jul 07 14:58:06 <DavidBailey>good rules can reduce email workload. you also have to dicipline yourself not to check your inbox alll the time |
| Jul 07 14:58:07 <SebastianRahtz>i just got an email about cake at work. now thats just a cruel use of email |
| Jul 07 14:58:11 <TimM>you choose what's the most appropriate in that situation |
| Jul 07 14:58:12 <Adrian_Tribe>Andrew: show off! |
| Jul 07 14:58:15 <AndrewSavory>(for those that were in the bar late last night) |
| Jul 07 14:58:24 <AndrewSavory>Adrian_Tribe: moi? ;-) |
| Jul 07 14:58:33 <Adrian_Tribe>:-) |
| Jul 07 14:59:00 <AndrewSavory>London: DHL and Royal Mail have suspended collections and deliveries till Monday. |
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| Jul 07 15:00:11 <SebastianRahtz>ooh brian thinks he's so clever |
| Jul 07 15:00:13 <AndrewSavory>we're not talking about you brian ... |
| Jul 07 15:00:14 <Adrian_Tribe>We'de better talk about Brian then... |
| Jul 07 15:00:16 <AndrewSavory>but we will be ;-) |
| Jul 07 15:00:47 <DavidBailey>nice web slideshow Brian! |
| Jul 07 15:00:47 <AndrewSavory>where is paul browning? |
| Jul 07 15:00:52 <Randy>York |
| Jul 07 15:00:56 <SebastianRahtz>gone to better things |
| Jul 07 15:00:57 <AndrewSavory>didn't know we were allowed to have IWMW without him |
| Jul 07 15:01:08 <JMHarmer>anyway I'm not clustered round a power socket (you lot beat me to it!) |
| Jul 07 15:01:24 <SebastianRahtz>i bet he doesnt dare use images and slow down his slideshow |
| Jul 07 15:01:41 <DavidBailey>we need extension leads at every seat! |
| Jul 07 15:01:52 <Greg_Tourte>:-) |
| Jul 07 15:01:56 <SebastianRahtz>you mean XML _isnt_ the universal answer? shit. |
| Jul 07 15:02:01 <MilesB>Jam |
| Jul 07 15:02:12 <SebastianRahtz>on top of the ice cream? |
| Jul 07 15:02:28 <JMHarmer>mmmmm... jam... |
| Jul 07 15:02:29 <MilesB>No - we just need more jam |
| Jul 07 15:02:46 <MilesB>It sticks things together, tastes nice and is available in many colours |
| Jul 07 15:02:50 <MilesB>Clearly the answer |
| Jul 07 15:02:53 <MilesB>no journey |
| Jul 07 15:02:57 <MilesB>Just jam |
| Jul 07 15:02:58 <SebastianRahtz>whats the poem by Seferis called about Odysseus? |
| Jul 07 15:03:17 <SebastianRahtz>about how the point of hings is the journey |
| Jul 07 15:03:19 <AndrewSavory>so does anyone know how to get to the museum? |
| Jul 07 15:03:25 <AndrewSavory>(speaking of journeys) |
| Jul 07 15:03:29 <JeremySpellerUCL>nope |
| Jul 07 15:03:59 <Adrian_Tribe>look at the map perhaps... |
| Jul 07 15:04:10 <DavidBailey>theres a map on the cinference website to the museum |
| Jul 07 15:04:13 <Adrian_Tribe>:-) |
| Jul 07 15:04:15 <MilesB>I hate HERO, sorry |
| Jul 07 15:04:48 <TimM>but it's still all about the technologies |
| Jul 07 15:04:59 <SebastianRahtz>still jam? |
| Jul 07 15:05:09 <MilesB>Yeh - ok. Bit unfair |
| Jul 07 15:05:09 <SebastianRahtz>even with cherries? |
| Jul 07 15:05:20 <TimM>i guess a bit of marmelade would be nice, too |
| Jul 07 15:06:22 <MilesB>Ooooh - had my name mentioned! |
| Jul 07 15:06:35 <SebastianRahtz>wow and wasp, self-appointed guardians rule ok |
| Jul 07 15:07:10 <JeremySpellerUCL>I'm in the bar recovering - be honest - was it crap? |
| Jul 07 15:07:24 <SebastianRahtz>just bizarre |
| Jul 07 15:07:36 <SebastianRahtz>but brave |
| Jul 07 15:07:46 <JeremySpellerUCL>You're so kind Sebastian |
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| Jul 07 15:08:12 <emmott>Jeremy, your talk was excellent - inspiring and well delivered. |
| Jul 07 15:08:19 <--CGI932 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) |
| Jul 07 15:08:32 <JeremySpellerUCL>...but crap |
| Jul 07 15:08:43 <MilesB>It was good mate - don't worry |
| Jul 07 15:09:06 <MilesB>I would love to go towards what you're doing and will be coming to ask you about it later! |
| Jul 07 15:09:36 <owen>nice to see something actual work like it should and deliver value |
| Jul 07 15:09:54 <emmott>Jeremy: I'll be looking to meet and discuss in more detail with you, ideally with one or two from my team. |
| Jul 07 15:10:16 <emmott>Miles: Did you get an email from Richard in my team? If so, was it useful? |
| Jul 07 15:10:33 <MilesB>Yep thanks - it was useful to a point - needs unpacking |
| Jul 07 15:10:57 <TimM>stephen, whatever happened ot gamut? |
| Jul 07 15:10:59 <MilesB>He did mention in general what you did, but more chat on processes, culture, desired end product etc would be good |
| Jul 07 15:11:15 <emmott>I'd really like to attend Duncan's local group - Glasgow's pretty cool place |
| Jul 07 15:11:16 <MilesB>Gamut disappeared due to busy people |
| Jul 07 15:11:17 <Adrian_Tribe>That was short and sweet! |
| Jul 07 15:11:18 <JeremySpellerUCL>Yeh - what did happen to gamut? |
| Jul 07 15:11:42 <TimM>need support but too busy to get it? |
| Jul 07 15:11:47 <TimM>or give it? |
| Jul 07 15:11:51 <AndrewSavory>uh-oh sales pitch! |
| Jul 07 15:11:52 <TimM>understand the problem tho |
| Jul 07 15:12:06 <Adrian_Tribe>Same as happened to the Zope user group in London/South East - people too busy! |
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| Jul 07 15:12:20 <emmott>Ranjit's a nice bloke. |
| Jul 07 15:12:43 <AndrewSavory>yeah, spoke to him in the bar last night when he woke up again ;) |
| Jul 07 15:12:46 <Adrian_Tribe>But knowing you can convene an ad hoc meeting to discuss a particular issue is useful |
| Jul 07 15:13:02 <emmott>;) Anyone interested in restarting.gamut? |
| Jul 07 15:13:08 <Adrian_Tribe>even if there isn't a regular schedule of meetings |
| Jul 07 15:13:13 <SebastianRahtz>ironic that people from Oxford cant even agree which region they are in |
| Jul 07 15:13:22 <emmott>:) |
| Jul 07 15:13:23 <MilesB>Midlands or south? |
| Jul 07 15:13:29 <Randy>Southeast |
| Jul 07 15:13:37 <mikelowndes>I'd turn up to a gamut type thing, but no time to help run it |
| Jul 07 15:13:44 <Adrian_Tribe>Of course Stephen - I remember how helpful it was for me in 1999 when I started |
| Jul 07 15:13:46 <MilesB>Oi loike Oxfud eets grate |
| Jul 07 15:13:57 <MilesB>get the midland phonetics? |
| Jul 07 15:13:58 <SebastianRahtz>what was gamut, pardon my igrnoance? |
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| Jul 07 15:14:12 <SebastianRahtz>sounds like west country to me |
| Jul 07 15:14:23 <Adrian_Tribe>I thought that was Scottish, Miles!! |
| Jul 07 15:14:38 <emmott>.gamut was a group Andrew Aird and I convened in 1997/1998 to get web folk in London HE/related together |
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| Jul 07 15:15:19 <TimM>maybe it should just have a different format |
| Jul 07 15:15:20 <emmott>Good point Miles! |
| Jul 07 15:15:30 <Adrian_Tribe>Is Andrew still enjoying life in France, do you know? |
| Jul 07 15:15:47 <emmott>No idea. I haven't spoken to him for years now |
| Jul 07 15:16:46 <TimM>getting back to gamut. maybe it could just a meeting space to discuss whatever comes to mind rather than having to organise speakers and themes |
| Jul 07 15:17:10 <SebastianRahtz>isnt webmastering a commodity these days? _does_ it still need a community? |
| Jul 07 15:17:17 <mikelowndes>that sounds better, something less formal |
| Jul 07 15:17:40 <TimM>it would make the workload of organising much more bearable |
| Jul 07 15:17:42 <emmott>How about an online service (eg discussion forum) with a regular social? |
| Jul 07 15:17:47 <MilesB>I think public sector uni web management is different to other similar jobs |
| Jul 07 15:17:55 <TimM>that sounds pretty good i think |
| Jul 07 15:18:08 <MilesB>The way unis run is so odd and so different |
| Jul 07 15:18:14 <AndrewSavory>discussion forum: why not the existing mailing list? |
| Jul 07 15:18:15 <emmott>I joined CILIP, but quickly left. |
| Jul 07 15:18:17 <SebastianRahtz>can you justify the claim, Miles? |
| Jul 07 15:18:46 <TimM>a mailing list is not quite a discussion forum |
| Jul 07 15:18:49 <SebastianRahtz>do colleges have as much in common as they are dufferent? |
| Jul 07 15:19:03 <emmott>I say discussion forum because I want a resource I can refer back to, and refer others to. |
| Jul 07 15:19:04 <Randy>It can be. |
| Jul 07 15:19:04 <MilesB>hmmmm - thinking |
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| Jul 07 15:19:22 <TimM>it's also more structured that a mailing list |
| Jul 07 15:19:35 <AndrewSavory>why can't you refer back to the mail archives? (other than the fact that jiscmail's web interface is awful) |
| Jul 07 15:19:39 <AndrewSavory>(just curious) |
| Jul 07 15:19:43 <MilesB>Unis are more similar to councils then anything else I think |
| Jul 07 15:19:44 <SebastianRahtz>unstructured |
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| Jul 07 15:19:59 <MilesB>Lots of different audiences |
| Jul 07 15:20:05 <MilesB>Some of them resident |
| Jul 07 15:20:13 <SebastianRahtz>threading by subject line is too weak, and you cant swutch things between threads |
| Jul 07 15:20:14 <MilesB>Councillors and admins like lecturers and admin |
| Jul 07 15:20:28 <MilesB>Squeezed for budget |
| Jul 07 15:20:31 <AndrewSavory>SebastianRahtz: why would you switch between threads? |
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| Jul 07 15:21:14 <SebastianRahtz>if someone says something that was belonged in another thread, you cant change it. but in a forum you might move posts, no? |
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| Jul 07 15:22:04 <MilesB>But they have argeed working practices and less flexibility within each council |
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| Jul 07 15:22:58 <AndrewSavory>i can't see why you'd move posts within a forum, tbh - sounds like it's making a lot of work managing the community |
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| Jul 07 15:23:26 <JMHarmer>you would if they moved off topic and you started another to keep it all tidy |
| Jul 07 15:23:29 <Randy>Aren't the kinds of discussions on web-support very short lived |
| Jul 07 15:23:32 <SebastianRahtz>forums are hierarchical. you cnat do that that in email |
| Jul 07 15:23:43 <SebastianRahtz>i mean hierarchical topic-wise. |
| Jul 07 15:24:02 <AndrewSavory>how do you add topics to forum posts, though? |
| Jul 07 15:24:22 <Randy>Forums are more useful for growing wide communities |
| Jul 07 15:24:27 <AndrewSavory>or rather, who would |
| Jul 07 15:24:29 <SebastianRahtz>this may be my fantasy about how forums work.... |
| Jul 07 15:24:41 <SebastianRahtz>any community needs faciltators |
| Jul 07 15:24:51 <patrickhlauke>agree...i usually prefer forums to mailing lists for larger, ongoing discussions |
| Jul 07 15:24:53 <AndrewSavory>people are more useful for growing wide communities ;-) |
| Jul 07 15:25:02 <SebastianRahtz>geez, andrew and randy, lets organize a meeting to discuss communitiies... |
| Jul 07 15:25:08 <Randy>agreed :-) |
| Jul 07 15:25:14 <AndrewSavory>rofl yeah |
| Jul 07 15:25:30 <Randy>But this time, let's really talk about communities |
| Jul 07 15:25:31 <SebastianRahtz>(that was an in-joke, the rest of you. apologies) |
| Jul 07 15:25:37 <AndrewSavory>imho, you can have all sorts of wizzy tech but if you can't stimulate/maintain discussion, the community will fall apart regardless |
| Jul 07 15:26:00 <TimM>isn't that why the social part is important? |
| Jul 07 15:26:05 <AndrewSavory>yup |
| Jul 07 15:26:09 <Adrian_Tribe>Exactly |
| Jul 07 15:26:14 <SebastianRahtz>you gotta adecide what the community represents. to m mind, "webmaster" is not a sufficient discriminator |
| Jul 07 15:26:20 <Randy>what do you mean by the social part? |
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| Jul 07 15:26:25 <AndrewSavory>so pub + mailing list is the lightest simplest implementation of a community ;-) |
| Jul 07 15:26:39 <Randy>I disagree about the pub bit |
| Jul 07 15:26:47 <TimM>actually meeting in person and also talking about non related stuff for a while, eg |
| Jul 07 15:26:48 <SebastianRahtz>pub excludes people with family commitments, so its discriminatory |
| Jul 07 15:27:00 <AndrewSavory>yeah the way i feel today, i'm not sure the pub bit's such a great idea |
| Jul 07 15:27:01 <SebastianRahtz>and people who dont drink... |
| Jul 07 15:27:16 <Randy>Also, some of you guys are really ugly |
| Jul 07 15:27:17 <AndrewSavory>so s/pub/informal meeting place/; |
| Jul 07 15:27:21 <patrickhlauke>mailing lists are not, imho, that accessible to newcomers - unless you send them to a web based mail archive first so they get a feel for what has been previously discussed. with a forum, that part is a given |
| Jul 07 15:27:23 <AndrewSavory>heheh |
| Jul 07 15:27:47 <AndrewSavory>yeah, i guess forums are easier to catch up on |
| Jul 07 15:28:12 <AndrewSavory>though the guis on most forums i've seen are almost as hideous as mail archives |
| Jul 07 15:28:18 <SebastianRahtz>i identify, community wise, with people who have little geographical co-location |
| Jul 07 15:28:19 <Randy>But isn't this a closed community - you don't want 1000 new members do you |
| Jul 07 15:28:39 <SebastianRahtz>what's "this", Randy? |
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| Jul 07 15:28:49 <patrickhlauke>and you can segregate light-hearted banter from serious discussions easier on forums, which is not that easy to do with mailing lists unless you want to set up multiple lists |
| Jul 07 15:28:50 <Randy>The one we are in now |
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| Jul 07 15:29:30 <patrickhlauke>andrew: well, let's work on better GUIs then |
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| Jul 07 15:29:48 <JMHarmer>ttfn |
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| Jul 07 15:29:55 <AndrewSavory>patrickhlauke: agreed |
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| Jul 07 15:30:46 <patrickhlauke>as a follow up to brian's name check before, i'm part of the newly formed WaSP Accessibility Task Force. although the focus is on getting CMS providers and assistive tech developers to |
| Jul 07 15:31:19 <patrickhlauke>use standards and focus on how standards compliant markup can help accessibility, forum GUIs could also be a strand that we can look at |
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| Jul 07 15:31:49 <patrickhlauke>usability/accessibility/standards-compliance of default forum skins could be a nice discreet task to look at |
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| Jul 07 16:38:59 <EmTonkin>good afternoon |
| Jul 07 16:40:15 <Stuart_Steele_Aston>hi |
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| Jul 07 18:05:53 <patrickhlauke>ho hum |
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| Jul 08 09:12:42 <MilesB>Hello there |
| Jul 08 09:13:05 <annemc>Hi there too |
| Jul 08 09:13:47 <MilesB>And also you can include URLs like http://www.kent.ac.uk/ |
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| Jul 08 09:25:32 <AndrewSavory>mornin |
| Jul 08 09:25:36 <MilesB>Hey there you two |
| Jul 08 09:25:36 <patrickhlauke>yo |
| Jul 08 09:26:07 <AndrewSavory>so are all the sessions in another room today? |
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| Jul 08 09:26:55 <MilesB>This morning there are two impact analysis sessions in room 5 then back to the main room after tea |
| Jul 08 09:27:18 <patrickhlauke>but you had to register for those sessions, if i'm not mistaken? |
| Jul 08 09:27:33 <patrickhlauke>so only poster exhibition for us |
| Jul 08 09:28:09 <MilesB>Its no problem - you can still turn up |
| Jul 08 09:28:19 <MilesB>9.45 is the next start |
| Jul 08 09:28:39 <patrickhlauke>i'm at home in my undies at the moment, so it wouldn't be a pretty sight ;) |
| Jul 08 09:28:47 <MilesB>Oh god - please no |
| Jul 08 09:29:00 <patrickhlauke>i'll be there for the tea break though (fully dressed) |
| Jul 08 09:29:14 <patrickhlauke>finally managed to get onto jabber today |
| Jul 08 09:29:26 <patrickhlauke>jabber.org was just not happy with letting GAIM register |
| Jul 08 09:29:42 <patrickhlauke>so i finally, after looking around, managed to register a jabber ID via a server called gristle.org |
| Jul 08 09:29:50 ---AndrewSavory has changed the topic to: <patrickhlauke>i'm at home in my undies at the moment, so it wouldn't be a pretty sight ;) |
| Jul 08 09:29:57 <patrickhlauke>hehe |
| Jul 08 09:30:09 ---AndrewSavory has changed the topic to: Chat About IWMW |
| Jul 08 09:30:26 <AndrewSavory>note to the operator: you should set topic lock ;-) |
| Jul 08 09:30:48 <patrickhlauke>anybody else managed to get jabber-ing? |
| Jul 08 09:31:33 <AndrewSavory>i have had jabber open, but couldn't connect to the rooms mentioned |
| Jul 08 09:31:47 <AndrewSavory>i prefer irc for this sort of thing though, so i didn't try too hard ;) |
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| Jul 08 09:32:25 <patrickhlauke>i'm not particularly a fan of irc, but hey...you do what you can |
| Jul 08 09:32:33 <patrickhlauke>morning jeremy |
| Jul 08 09:32:42 <JeremySpellerUCL>Hi |
| Jul 08 09:32:46 <AndrewSavory>mornin Jeremy |
| Jul 08 09:32:58 <AndrewSavory>right, back in a mo - my ssh tunnel app has gone nuts |
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| Jul 08 09:33:21 <JeremySpellerUCL>Had to come home last night unfortunately - hope last morning is good |
| Jul 08 09:33:54 <patrickhlauke>was the journey home ok? |
| Jul 08 09:34:03 <patrickhlauke>or is it chaotic to travel towards the capital? |
| Jul 08 09:34:30 <JeremySpellerUCL>not too bad ta - it's OK as long as you don't want to go near King's Cross |
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| Jul 08 09:35:09 <AndrewSavory>hmm, this is all very odd. tunnelling out is causing 100% cpu load today :-( |
| Jul 08 09:35:21 <AndrewSavory>i'm getting nice toasty knees |
| Jul 08 09:35:38 <patrickhlauke>hehe |
| Jul 08 09:36:16 <JeremySpellerUCL>whenintel make them nice G6 powerbook chips we'll all have cool knees again! |
| Jul 08 09:36:34 <patrickhlauke>did anybody use jybe after all in the last two days? i installed the FF plugin, hoping for some action, but not seen it used so far |
| Jul 08 09:36:35 <AndrewSavory>heh |
| Jul 08 09:36:40 <MilesB>No jybe |
| Jul 08 09:36:48 <AndrewSavory>yeah, i installed jybe too, but nothing doing ... |
| Jul 08 09:36:56 <patrickhlauke>(unless i missed something yesterday morning when i was recuperating from the previous night of alcoholic revels) |
| Jul 08 09:38:09 <patrickhlauke>quick weird question: has anybody here worked with CC/PP to some extent? |
| Jul 08 09:38:16 <AndrewSavory>yup |
| Jul 08 09:38:22 <AndrewSavory>and UAProf |
| Jul 08 09:38:48 <AndrewSavory>conclusion: they are both quite broken ;-) |
| Jul 08 09:39:19 <patrickhlauke>i'm thinking of writing a FF extension - just a basic proof of concept - to send CC/PP via headers to allow users to carry their profile with them (through something like FF on a USB stick or something) |
| Jul 08 09:39:19 <AndrewSavory>there's an excellent device catalogue (in xml) that's being collaboratively developed, that's worth a look |
| Jul 08 09:39:35 <AndrewSavory>ah, ok ... quirky, indeed |
| Jul 08 09:39:46 <patrickhlauke>but all i've seen so far was CC/PP in relation to mobile phones |
| Jul 08 09:39:54 <AndrewSavory>yeah, when i hear CC/PP i always think mobile devices |
| Jul 08 09:40:05 <patrickhlauke>and am not sure if my idea is "breaking" the idea behind it |
| Jul 08 09:40:46 <patrickhlauke>just thinking about the accessibility angle of users being able to set their preferred access options via the extension's setup, plus FF sending its current window size etc |
| Jul 08 09:41:10 <patrickhlauke>and server then sending the right things for the user, e.g. i'm deaf, so no audio please |
| Jul 08 09:41:18 <AndrewSavory>not a very cross-browser way of doing it though ... |
| Jul 08 09:42:01 <AndrewSavory>(not sure how you'd do it in a cross-platform fashion) |
| Jul 08 09:42:01 <patrickhlauke>well, a one size fits all approach is nice and all for basic content pages, but once you hit multimedia, differentiation like that may actually be beneficial to the user |
| Jul 08 09:43:09 <patrickhlauke>i mean yes, you can make gateway pages a la "see the video / video with captions / text transcript" but this would be a bit more automatic; user sets their preference, and if possible the server sends them what they need |
| Jul 08 09:43:27 <patrickhlauke>a bit like accept headers for basic content negotiation |
| Jul 08 09:43:41 <AndrewSavory>yeah. not sure if CC/PP is designed to deal with that ... possible, i guess |
| Jul 08 09:43:58 <patrickhlauke>and if a user can carry his/her profile with them on a usb stick, it could be quite slick |
| Jul 08 09:44:06 <AndrewSavory>it's been a long time since i read the spec ;-) |
| Jul 08 09:44:13 <patrickhlauke>just thoughts. i know i'm probably looking at it from the wrong angle/technology |
| Jul 08 09:44:34 <patrickhlauke>i did a bit of reading on it last night, and well it does seem to focus on mobile phones |
| Jul 08 09:45:01 <patrickhlauke>was chatting to a few accessibility peops in canada recently though, and they seemed intrigued. heck, if i find the time, i'll give it a whirl |
| Jul 08 09:45:15 <patrickhlauke>shouldn't be too hard an extension to write |
| Jul 08 09:45:47 <patrickhlauke>got a few under my belt already, from the banal to the reasonably useful https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/authorprofiles.php?id=169 |
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| Jul 08 09:47:40 <JeremySpellerUCL>wouldn't mind a nice FF extension to run ZWiki a la wikalong |
| Jul 08 09:47:59 <AndrewSavory>or anything other than the horrible wikalong wiki ;) |
| Jul 08 09:48:24 <JeremySpellerUCL>I rub along with it as I like the sidebar approach |
| Jul 08 09:49:01 <patrickhlauke>it's trivial to get things to open in a sidebar in FF |
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| Jul 08 09:49:45 <patrickhlauke>but i guess the integration is what counts (not really checked wikalong so i may be talking out of my rear SSH tunnel) |
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| Jul 08 09:50:37 <JeremySpellerUCL>indeedy - getting the wiki to index to the page in question |
| Jul 08 09:50:48 <AndrewSavory>simple referer magic, innit? |
| Jul 08 09:50:52 <AndrewSavory>server-side |
| Jul 08 09:51:14 <patrickhlauke>jeremy...send me an email about zwiki-FF-sidebar before my memory fails me, and i may have a look |
| Jul 08 09:51:15 <patrickhlauke>redux@splintered.co.uk |
| Jul 08 09:52:03 <patrickhlauke>yeah shouldn't be difficult. or in FF itself have the an extension that grabs what the current url in the main content browser is and update the sidebar accordingly. simple enough to do |
| Jul 08 09:53:17 <AndrewSavory>ok, rebooting before my laptop catches fire |
| Jul 08 09:53:22 <patrickhlauke>hehe |
| Jul 08 09:53:42 <JeremySpellerUCL>will do patrick - ta |
| Jul 08 09:53:50 <patrickhlauke>right, i best get dressed and catch the bus over to the conference centre. be there in about 40 minutes or so |
| Jul 08 09:54:18 <patrickhlauke>laters... |
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| Jul 08 09:54:42 <JeremySpellerUCL>bye |
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| Jul 08 10:42:36 <EmTonkin>hello... how is it going? |
| Jul 08 10:42:59 <Greg_Tourte>I'm fine, and you? |
| Jul 08 10:43:30 *EmTonkin has a throat full of gunk |
| Jul 08 10:43:36 <EmTonkin>but apart from that I'm fine |
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| Jul 08 11:04:02 <Greg_Tourte>Morning Andrew |
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| Jul 08 11:04:30 <EmTonkin>morning Andrew |
| Jul 08 11:04:40 <EmTonkin>not to be hopelessly derivative or anything :P |
| Jul 08 11:04:47 <Greg_Tourte>hey hey! |
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| Jul 08 11:08:15 <Adrian_Tribe>Is it just me, or is this all a bit "old hat"? |
| Jul 08 11:08:18 <JonWarbrick>Morning all - let's see if my battery will last a whole morning... |
| Jul 08 11:08:20 <AndrewSavory>morning ;-) |
| Jul 08 11:08:42 <AndrewSavory>Adrian_Tribe: yes, indeed. all feels quite familiar ... |
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| Jul 08 11:11:12 <Adrian_Tribe>hi Tim |
| Jul 08 11:11:33 *EmTonkin is, er, personing the desk at the moment. So do feel free to provide running commentary for those of us who are disadvantaged on the presence front :P |
| Jul 08 11:11:34 <TimM>mornign adrian |
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| Jul 08 11:11:54 <TimM>southwest reporting now |
| Jul 08 11:11:59 <TimM>quality control |
| Jul 08 11:12:18 <TimM>missed first issue |
| Jul 08 11:12:25 <TimM>final one choosing the right cms |
| Jul 08 11:12:37 <JonWarbrick>1st was 'Resources' |
| Jul 08 11:12:56 <TimM>didn't discuss them further because of london bombs |
| Jul 08 11:13:01 <JonWarbrick>Lots of caallanges, no answers |
| Jul 08 11:13:03 <EmTonkin>ah. |
| Jul 08 11:13:18 <TimM>now midlands group |
| Jul 08 11:13:32 <TimM>cultural and ownership |
| Jul 08 11:13:41 <TimM>skills and branding |
| Jul 08 11:13:47 <TimM>second technical limitations |
| Jul 08 11:13:54 <TimM>3rd support and training |
| Jul 08 11:14:07 <TimM>think challenge is procedures |
| Jul 08 11:14:09 <AndrewSavory>next time technology is used, there should be a webcam streaming video ... |
| Jul 08 11:14:14 <EmTonkin>yeah |
| Jul 08 11:14:15 <TimM>technology and skills ok |
| Jul 08 11:14:15 <EmTonkin>absolutely |
| Jul 08 11:14:25 <JonWarbrick>also comment about the danger of deskiling existing users |
| Jul 08 11:14:28 <EmTonkin>and we could record it for posterity and wrap it up in METS or something. |
| Jul 08 11:14:29 <Adrian_Tribe>Then we can all stay at home! |
| Jul 08 11:14:33 <TimM>important to identify requirements |
| Jul 08 11:14:33 <AndrewSavory>i noticed that yesterday morning trying to follow things from the accommodation |
| Jul 08 11:14:57 <TimM>next wales ireland and scotland |
| Jul 08 11:14:58 <Greg_Tourte>we'll try to set that up if possible |
| Jul 08 11:15:09 <TimM>feels like the eurovision a bit :) |
| Jul 08 11:15:12 <EmTonkin>hehe |
| Jul 08 11:15:21 <Adrian_Tribe>Who gets nil points?! |
| Jul 08 11:15:28 <TimM>1st do you need a cms at all? |
| Jul 08 11:15:32 <AndrewSavory>we did it at an Apache meet last year, but in reverse - a transatlantic iSight video hookup |
| Jul 08 11:15:45 <JonWarbrick>radical 1st question! |
| Jul 08 11:15:49 <TimM>need to gather proper requirements |
| Jul 08 11:16:00 <TimM>think about scope |
| Jul 08 11:16:07 <TimM>2nd management buy in |
| Jul 08 11:16:08 <EmTonkin>Angleterre: 0 points... |
| Jul 08 11:16:24 <TimM>listen to management |
| Jul 08 11:16:25 <EmTonkin>ah, requirements analysis |
| Jul 08 11:16:27 <TimM>identify benefits |
| Jul 08 11:16:35 <TimM>communicate in plain language |
| Jul 08 11:16:58 <TimM>get support from other constituencies |
| Jul 08 11:17:21 <TimM>find arguments like security or legal requirements |
| Jul 08 11:17:30 <TimM>final selection |
| Jul 08 11:17:35 <TimM>buy or build |
| Jul 08 11:17:37 <AndrewSavory>http://www.lnreview.co.uk/news/005167.php : "And we're going to go about our lives. We're going to take care of the lives you ruined. And then we're going to work. And we're going down the pub." |
| Jul 08 11:17:46 <TimM>requirements again |
| Jul 08 11:17:52 <TimM>talk to others |
| Jul 08 11:17:53 <Adrian_Tribe>the legal scare tactics don't seem to work very well at Birkbeck :-( |
| Jul 08 11:17:56 <TimM>hidden costs |
| Jul 08 11:18:17 <JonWarbrick>Birkbeck: why/how not? |
| Jul 08 11:18:45 <EmTonkin>AndrewSavory: a friend of mine who works in central london blogged last night: "Fuck you extremist islam. I'm going home. Even if I have to walk". |
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| Jul 08 11:18:48 <Adrian_Tribe>Because even some of the senior managers seem to think it doesn't apply to us... |
| Jul 08 11:18:54 <TimM>doesn't the accessibility thing work as an argument? |
| Jul 08 11:19:06 <Adrian_Tribe>Can do... |
| Jul 08 11:19:08 <TimM>also marketing can be good allies |
| Jul 08 11:19:28 <TimM>management do seem to like bums on seats |
| Jul 08 11:19:39 <TimM>my comments by the way for those not in the room |
| Jul 08 11:19:40 <EmTonkin>Greg_Tourte: Another thing to add to the irc for next year. A de-profanity filter for my own sake. |
| Jul 08 11:19:50 <Adrian_Tribe>I wouls second hat Greg |
| Jul 08 11:20:04 <TimM>south east now |
| Jul 08 11:20:06 <Adrian_Tribe>or even, "I would second that Greg" |
| Jul 08 11:20:16 <TimM>pp presentation |
| Jul 08 11:20:27 <JonWarbrick>SE notes on Wikalong |
| Jul 08 11:20:40 <JonWarbrick>selling to users |
| Jul 08 11:20:41 <TimM>seelingn to users |
| Jul 08 11:20:45 <EmTonkin>'could do with sophisticated file locking'. |
| Jul 08 11:20:46 <Greg_Tourte>does that mean filtering out any mentions of Brian as well? |
| Jul 08 11:20:49 <AndrewSavory>weird mac os aqua-style slide templates ... |
| Jul 08 11:20:53 <TimM>feel free to cary on jon |
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| Jul 08 11:21:11 <JonWarbrick>OK |
| Jul 08 11:21:14 <Adrian_Tribe>:-) |
| Jul 08 11:21:18 <EmTonkin>oh yes. That's a small point: if anyone has made comments they would in retrospect prefer not to remain in the log, could they let me know? |
| Jul 08 11:21:42 <Adrian_Tribe>You think people will remember what they've said?!! |
| Jul 08 11:21:44 <EmTonkin>hehe |
| Jul 08 11:21:53 <AndrewSavory>where will the logs be published? |
| Jul 08 11:21:55 <EmTonkin>no, I think they can email me and ask for the log, really? |
| Jul 08 11:22:17 <JonWarbrick>se 2: selling to mgmt |
| Jul 08 11:22:19 <EmTonkin>I dunno really. Next time I will have to get everyone to register on a mailing list or something equally ridiculous and administratively heavy |
| Jul 08 11:22:37 <TimM>requirements again |
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| Jul 08 11:23:01 <JonWarbrick>threten/scare them |
| Jul 08 11:23:02 <AndrewSavory>i think the biggest thing wrt CMSes is that someone central should be maintaining research on 'em, it'd save a lot of time for individual institutions |
| Jul 08 11:23:03 <TimM>why does it always have to be a battle |
| Jul 08 11:23:13 <TimM>can't we just argue and convince them? |
| Jul 08 11:23:22 <JonWarbrick>use extarnal consultant cos mgmt believe them |
| Jul 08 11:23:34 <AndrewSavory>i'm tame :-) |
| Jul 08 11:23:36 <EmTonkin>but tame external consultant first :P |
| Jul 08 11:23:39 <JonWarbrick>... but get a tanm one |
| Jul 08 11:23:42 <Adrian_Tribe>I would second that! |
| Jul 08 11:23:44 <EmTonkin>argh. Great minds think alike. |
| Jul 08 11:23:53 <EmTonkin>she says modestly. |
| Jul 08 11:23:58 <JonWarbrick>tell mgmt that it improves branding, but don't tell users |
| Jul 08 11:24:23 <TimM>we found that users do not mind that much if it helps them in other ways |
| Jul 08 11:24:24 <JonWarbrick>se 3 what to use? |
| Jul 08 11:24:32 <JonWarbrick>how to find options |
| Jul 08 11:24:43 <JonWarbrick>compile top 10 questions for suppliers |
| Jul 08 11:24:50 <AndrewSavory>bless you |
| Jul 08 11:25:05 <JonWarbrick>look at public sector experience |
| Jul 08 11:25:09 <Adrian_Tribe>An important point would be "Don't automatically believe everything the supplier says about their product and what it can do", sadly. |
| Jul 08 11:25:39 <EmTonkin>now if this were a real IRC client I'd /ctcp #channel that sneeze. |
| Jul 08 11:26:10 <EmTonkin>a little cynicism is good for the soul when it comes to suppliers. |
| Jul 08 11:26:20 <JonWarbrick>se pannel point: need central resource |
| Jul 08 11:26:22 <Adrian_Tribe>yes! |
| Jul 08 11:26:29 <JonWarbrick>who's reporting now - lost track |
| Jul 08 11:26:51 <JonWarbrick>ness to understand scope |
| Jul 08 11:26:55 <TimM>you still are jon |
| Jul 08 11:27:02 <JonWarbrick>need to understand technology and ned |
| Jul 08 11:27:10 <JonWarbrick>open source/build |
| Jul 08 11:27:16 <JonWarbrick>2nd : politics |
| Jul 08 11:27:23 <JonWarbrick>cat champion |
| Jul 08 11:27:32 <JonWarbrick>Ugh? GET champion |
| Jul 08 11:27:43 <JonWarbrick>3rd Implimentation |
| Jul 08 11:27:52 <JonWarbrick>slow movement, finance, etc |
| Jul 08 11:28:02 <EmTonkin>cat: champion: no such file or directory |
| Jul 08 11:28:07 <JonWarbrick>solutions: |
| Jul 08 11:28:08 <EmTonkin>:P |
| Jul 08 11:28:08 <Adrian_Tribe>Political issues are the biggest problem, in my experience |
| Jul 08 11:28:35 <JonWarbrick>... lost the thread here... |
| Jul 08 11:28:36 <EmTonkin>politics, power, culture... |
| Jul 08 11:28:51 <TimM>involve people and know thy enemies, I think |
| Jul 08 11:28:57 <EmTonkin>closely followed by well-meaning lack of understanding |
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| Jul 08 11:29:40 <EmTonkin>oops, rl chat pause. |
| Jul 08 11:29:40 <JonWarbrick>Am I the only one for who Wireles connectivity keps dropping out? |
| Jul 08 11:29:46 <AndrewSavory>Mark Shuttleworth and Canonical Ltd, founders of the popular Ubuntu |
| Jul 08 11:29:46 <AndrewSavory>Linux-based operating system, have today announced the creation of The |
| Jul 08 11:29:46 <AndrewSavory>Ubuntu Foundation with an initial funding commitment of US$10m. |
| Jul 08 11:30:07 <Greg_Tourte>JonWarbrick: which SSID aare you using? |
| Jul 08 11:30:12 <TimM>mine did every now and then yesterday |
| Jul 08 11:30:33 <JonWarbrick>conference atm, university yestarday did same thing |
| Jul 08 11:31:05 <JonWarbrick>Pannel session starting - doubt I can log it in realtime |
| Jul 08 11:31:12 <Greg_Tourte>hmm so no it shouldn't drop unless they changed something to the system... |
| Jul 08 11:32:51 <JonWarbrick>"don't say Portal to suppliers"! |
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| Jul 08 11:34:06 <EmTonkin>why isn't one supposed to say portal to suppliers?... |
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| Jul 08 11:34:36 <EmTonkin>JonWarbrick: Which of the wifi points are you on? |
| Jul 08 11:34:50 <EmTonkin>I've been using conference and it seems rock-solid today |
| Jul 08 11:34:51 <JonWarbrick>conference |
| Jul 08 11:35:29 <JonWarbrick>Hm, probably my PC somewhere, sorry about all the leave/join events |
| Jul 08 11:37:57 <EmTonkin>marieke just received the instructions as to how to deal with those four bottles of whisky under the desk |
| Jul 08 11:38:36 <EmTonkin>we should insist that next year, Brian gets a fifth bottle as some form of employee bonus |
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| Jul 08 11:38:51 <Greg_Tourte>well I could have told her that myself: "give them to me" is my suggestion! |
| Jul 08 11:38:58 <AndrewSavory>i'll suggest it if you split it with me ;-) |
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| Jul 08 11:39:11 <Greg_Tourte>no problem Andrew |
| Jul 08 11:39:57 <AndrewSavory>is a cms less skill, or -different- skills? |
| Jul 08 11:40:32 <EmTonkin>Greg_Tourte: you don't want them that hard, it's only jameson and bell's |
| Jul 08 11:40:36 <EmTonkin>:) |
| Jul 08 11:40:54 <EmTonkin>AndrewSavory: Different skills |
| Jul 08 11:40:56 <AndrewSavory>better than the "Strathclyde House Whisky" we had a few years back ;-) |
| Jul 08 11:41:03 <TimM>i find that there are lots of users who will only edit once in a while |
| Jul 08 11:41:06 <EmTonkin>imnsho |
| Jul 08 11:41:23 <TimM>it's very difficult to give them any skills as they will always lack practice |
| Jul 08 11:41:46 <AndrewSavory>so making editing incredibly simple, and everything else optional extra ... |
| Jul 08 11:42:07 <TimM>i find a problem is that within the organisation ther eis often a lack of understanding that there are skill beyond html involved in web sites |
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| Jul 08 11:42:43 <TimM>they will still need to know how to write etc |
| Jul 08 11:42:49 <EmTonkin>"Writing for the Web" and so forth |
| Jul 08 11:42:52 <TimM>who takes care of labelling and navigations? |
| Jul 08 11:42:57 <TimM>what about usability? |
| Jul 08 11:43:06 <EmTonkin>and usability and design and overall image |
| Jul 08 11:43:08 <EmTonkin>and consistency... |
| Jul 08 11:43:14 <TimM>exactly |
| Jul 08 11:43:25 <TimM>tho a cms can help with some of the consistency |
| Jul 08 11:43:29 <AndrewSavory>labeling and navigation can be dealt with 'elsewhere' |
| Jul 08 11:43:30 <EmTonkin>the great intangibles. |
| Jul 08 11:43:41 <TimM>:) |
| Jul 08 11:44:36 <TimM>i guess the first hurdle is to get the means to do something |
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| Jul 08 11:45:22 <EmTonkin>TimM: sort of agile development-style better anything than nothing? |
| Jul 08 11:45:42 <AndrewSavory>the free open source solutions can help there - they may not be perfect, but they can be deployed cheaply as testbeds to find out what you -really- need |
| Jul 08 11:45:57 <TimM>lol well only within reason. I meant more about what kinds of problems people focus on |
| Jul 08 11:46:23 <TimM>am amazed that people should find it surprising that management will respond to arguments to do with overall objectives |
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| Jul 08 11:46:32 <AndrewSavory>http://cocoondev.org/daisy/index.html btw ... it's the hot new kid on the open source cms block ;-) |
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| Jul 08 11:47:00 <Randy>but you've just suggested that you should only use it until you are ready to buy a real cms |
| Jul 08 11:47:09 <EmTonkin>design gives me deja vu |
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| Jul 08 11:47:46 <AndrewSavory>Randy: nah, start using it before you're ready to buy ... you might find you don't need to buy ... |
| Jul 08 11:47:49 <TimM>erm Andrew where else would labelling and navigation be dealt with?? |
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| Jul 08 11:48:27 <AndrewSavory>well - depends on the complexity of the site, but you could potentially have one person managing nav for all the editors |
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| Jul 08 11:48:42 <AndrewSavory>not sure how well it would work but it'd be interesting to try |
| Jul 08 11:48:50 <TimM>i agree but it's very labour intensive |
| Jul 08 11:48:59 <AndrewSavory>would work particularly well for those that want to just edit text every now and then |
| Jul 08 11:49:08 <TimM>you're back with the web team taking on contents issues |
| Jul 08 11:49:33 <TimM>it's fine with me but I think we may have moved towards wanting nothing to do with content |
| Jul 08 11:49:40 <AndrewSavory>should they not have some oversight of the structure of the site? (not necessarily content) |
| Jul 08 11:50:00 <TimM>but they will need advice in my experience |
| Jul 08 11:50:12 <TimM>and they will not have the skills to do it themselves |
| Jul 08 11:50:31 <AndrewSavory>hmm, but where it's point-n-click and wysiwyg editing ... |
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| Jul 08 11:50:50 <TimM>still the navigation and labelling problem |
| Jul 08 11:50:57 <TimM>and the writing for the web |
| Jul 08 11:52:04 <AndrewSavory>hell, i'm -writing- one of the open source ones ;-) (in answer to his question on stage) |
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| Jul 08 11:52:44 <EmTonkin>one of the open source whats? |
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| Jul 08 11:52:50 <AndrewSavory>CMS |
| Jul 08 11:53:00 <AndrewSavory>we have a stripped down cms toolkit |
| Jul 08 11:53:01 <MilesB>Hey there |
| Jul 08 11:53:07 <AndrewSavory>and we play with Apache Lenya now and then |
| Jul 08 11:53:07 <MilesB>Anyquestions? |
| Jul 08 11:53:17 <AndrewSavory>http://daisy.luminas.co.uk/daisy/ if you want to see a live copy of daisy running |
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| Jul 08 11:53:36 <AndrewSavory>(rather ugly default skin) |
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| Jul 08 11:54:03 <Jon>a co-worker of mine talks about daisy a lot |
| Jul 08 11:54:11 <EmTonkin>it's just a skin :P |
| Jul 08 11:54:11 <AndrewSavory>hi patrickhlauke ... are you dressed now? ;-) |
| Jul 08 11:54:11 <Jon>I've found it's got a pretty opaque front page |
| Jul 08 11:54:24 <AndrewSavory>Jon: yes, it does by default |
| Jul 08 11:54:26 <patrickhlauke>look to your right andrew and judge for yourself :) |
| Jul 08 11:54:41 <AndrewSavory>phew ;) |
| Jul 08 11:55:19 <MilesB>Is there anything from your irc that I can ask or tell the panel? |
| Jul 08 11:55:22 <EmTonkin>CMSs do tend to make a few assumptions about your website structure. |
| Jul 08 11:55:34 <AndrewSavory>Jon: the latest milestone should make it easier to (a) make it look better and (b) provide a cleaner front page |
| Jul 08 11:56:03 <AndrewSavory>EmTonkin: daisy is a non-hierarchical repository, so you can arbitrarily group collections of documents into any structure you want ... |
| Jul 08 11:56:21 *EmTonkin wants to play with it |
| Jul 08 11:56:22 <patrickhlauke>joining in late...url for daisy? |
| Jul 08 11:56:28 <AndrewSavory>http://daisy.luminas.co.uk/daisy/ |
| Jul 08 11:56:38 -->CGI553 (c2421667@rox-F526CC2.bath.ac.uk) has joined #iwmw-2005 |
| Jul 08 11:56:41 <AndrewSavory>(for live demo) |
| Jul 08 11:56:49 <AndrewSavory>http://cocoondev.org/daisy/index.html for the site |
| Jul 08 11:57:17 <EmTonkin>Mind you I'm not being derogatory about daisy as such. That observation was merely an observation. |
| Jul 08 11:57:44 <AndrewSavory>if you register for the test site, i can make you an administrator |
| Jul 08 11:57:50 <AndrewSavory>so you can try out the ACLs etc |
| Jul 08 11:57:52 <EmTonkin>it is probably truer to say that a lot of people who use CMSs make the assumptions in question. |
| Jul 08 11:58:07 <AndrewSavory>EmTonkin: indeed |
| Jul 08 11:58:13 <Jon>AndrewSavory: oh sorry, what I meant was, the homepage for the daisy product was opaque in explaining it to me - I find that quite a lot of apache stuff is like that |
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| Jul 08 11:58:29 <AndrewSavory>Jon: scandalous! surely not! :-) |
| Jul 08 11:58:36 <AndrewSavory>(yup, very common apache problem) |
| Jul 08 11:58:38 <patrickhlauke>andrew: user redux |
| Jul 08 11:58:46 <Jon>;) |
| Jul 08 11:59:05 *EmTonkin tries to figure out how to register for the test site |
| Jul 08 11:59:31 <AndrewSavory>the daisy guys are far better explaining 1-1 than thru their website. they did a good presentation: http://cocoondev.org/daisy/162 |
| Jul 08 11:59:39 <patrickhlauke>can't get to my webbased email to activate the account...gah |
| Jul 08 11:59:53 <AndrewSavory>EmTonkin: drop-down from the user menu... |
| Jul 08 12:00:04 <patrickhlauke>you want some sexy graphic design there for your daisy test site |
| Jul 08 12:00:16 <patrickhlauke>can put my zengarden hat on if you want ;) |
| Jul 08 12:00:20 <Jon>AndrewSavory: I shall make a note of that, thanks |
| Jul 08 12:00:26 *EmTonkin slaps the mystery meat navigation :P |
| Jul 08 12:00:27 <AndrewSavory>yeah ... we were waiting for Daisy 1.3M3 (released today), before improving the look n feel |
| Jul 08 12:00:29 <CGI553>where can I find the blog for iwmw? |
| Jul 08 12:00:34 <AndrewSavory>patrickhlauke: yes please ;-) |
| Jul 08 12:00:52 <DavidCupit>Is cocoondev a community or just a host for daisy? |
| Jul 08 12:00:52 <Jon>hm, whats the plan for this IRC stuff post-event? |
| Jul 08 12:00:57 <patrickhlauke>just send me an email andrew...my memory is always flaky |
| Jul 08 12:01:07 <AndrewSavory>http://www.meanboyfriend.com/overdue_ideas/ (iwmw blog) |
| Jul 08 12:01:44 <EmTonkin>Jon: Brian usually takes the logs from whatever chat occurs, and uses them in a paper or two in an insightful manner. |
| Jul 08 12:01:48 <AndrewSavory>cocoondev is a host for many cocoon-based applications (xreporter, daisy, etc). there's a community for daisy: http://cocoondev.org/daisy/45.html |
| Jul 08 12:01:49 <EmTonkin>from experience, that is. |
| Jul 08 12:01:58 <AndrewSavory>patrickhlauke: k ta |
| Jul 08 12:02:00 <CGI553>excellent, thanks Andrew! |
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| Jul 08 12:02:42 <Jon>EmTonkin: ah interesting |
| Jul 08 12:02:46 <EmTonkin>in this case I wonder if I shouldn't provide participants with a little while in order to request removal from logs of things that they secretly wish they hadn't said. |
| Jul 08 12:02:51 <patrickhlauke>http://www.cms-list.org/ doesn't seem to do zilch |
| Jul 08 12:03:02 <patrickhlauke>or am i missing a cool IE only navigation |
| Jul 08 12:03:03 <AndrewSavory>patrickhlauke: you're approved and administrator |
| Jul 08 12:03:14 <EmTonkin>Jon: Brian is pretty good at paper creation in that sense. |
| Jul 08 12:03:25 <AndrewSavory>Em: you're approved and administrator |
| Jul 08 12:03:28 <EmTonkin>good user of resources, like. |
| Jul 08 12:03:34 <Jon>EmTonkin: are there any other established IRC channels for the profession? |
| Jul 08 12:03:42 <patrickhlauke>andrew and others here on this side...mind if i make a few photos for brian / milesB's ariadne article? |
| Jul 08 12:04:00 <AndrewSavory>Jon: we could set one up on irc.freenode.net, lots of projects and communities over there |
| Jul 08 12:04:06 <EmTonkin>not afaik. I was just trying to sell Brian on the idea of having a permanent one, as Brian is trying to sell the idea of having a wiki community for the profession. |
| Jul 08 12:04:15 <AndrewSavory>patrickhlauke: feel free ... especially if you flickr them! |
| Jul 08 12:04:30 <AndrewSavory>wiki + irc is a good combo |
| Jul 08 12:04:41 <EmTonkin>but it might take a certain adjustment period |
| Jul 08 12:04:47 <TimM>nope no cool navigation just a useless page (cms-list that is) |
| Jul 08 12:05:09 <Jon>AndrewSavory: I'm not sure if there would be a demand but it would certainly be interesting. |
| Jul 08 12:05:28 <Jon>EmTonkin: hehe |
| Jul 08 12:05:33 <EmTonkin>Finally an excuse to play with eggdrops again. |
| Jul 08 12:05:37 <EmTonkin>wahey |
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| Jul 08 12:05:59 <patrickhlauke>sorry for noisy analogue camera noises... |
| Jul 08 12:06:02 <TimM>try http://archivist.incutio.com/viewlist/cms-list |
| Jul 08 12:06:07 <AndrewSavory>patrickhlauke: quaint ;-) |
| Jul 08 12:06:26 <patrickhlauke>gives good results though |
| Jul 08 12:06:36 <Jon>AndrewSavory: ok, any suggestions for a name? |
| Jul 08 12:06:44 <AndrewSavory>web-support ? |
| Jul 08 12:06:51 <EmTonkin>heh. One of my friends bought an obsecure german digital camera that has been painstakingly engineered to provide a sound not dissimilar to an ancient SLR |
| Jul 08 12:07:01 <AndrewSavory>heheh |
| Jul 08 12:07:04 <EmTonkin>candidate for speakerectomy |
| Jul 08 12:07:22 <patrickhlauke>http://redux.deviantart.com/gallery and http://www.flickr.com/photos/redux |
| Jul 08 12:07:46 <EmTonkin>oops. Whisky bottles apparently arriving in about 10 minutes. |
| Jul 08 12:07:46 <AndrewSavory>Jon: if you want to point Helen at http://daisy.luminas.co.uk/daisy/ I'd be happy to offer help etc |
| Jul 08 12:07:49 <patrickhlauke>obscure camera: does it have a floppy drive? |
| Jul 08 12:09:05 <EmTonkin>nope. Basically it was the modern analogue of that calculator that Dirk Gently buys in the long dark teatime of the soul. |
| Jul 08 12:09:09 <patrickhlauke>surely all you need is microsoft project... |
| Jul 08 12:09:34 <patrickhlauke>heh...excellent em |
| Jul 08 12:09:44 <EmTonkin>Glue technology had not progressed to the point etc. |
| Jul 08 12:10:24 <EmTonkin>images and photos up to 1 megapixel, but it played a mean game of tetris as I recall. |
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| Jul 08 12:10:49 <Jon>AndrewSavory: ok I've registered #web-support on freenode |
| Jul 08 12:11:00 <AndrewSavory>Jon: cool |
| Jul 08 12:11:15 <patrickhlauke>send an email to the web support list as well, if you haven't already done so |
| Jul 08 12:11:18 <EmTonkin>what's freenode's opinion about bots? |
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| Jul 08 12:11:21 <Jon>hm I can't page up on this mac, not sure which random key combination to press but, who is helen sorry? :) |
| Jul 08 12:11:33 *EmTonkin heads off to check out the aup |
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| Jul 08 12:11:54 <Greg_Tourte>btw patrickhlauke : nice photos! |
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| Jul 08 12:12:21 <patrickhlauke>ta greg |
| Jul 08 12:12:30 <patrickhlauke>prince2 of persia... |
| Jul 08 12:12:32 <AndrewSavory>EmTonkin: freenode is ok about bots as long as they behave |
| Jul 08 12:12:57 <AndrewSavory>Jon: ah, you're not the jon i thought you were, oops ;-) |
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| Jul 08 12:13:08 <Jon>AndrewSavory: np |
| Jul 08 12:13:17 <AndrewSavory>thought you were mr warbrick from cambridge ;-) |
| Jul 08 12:13:18 <EmTonkin>are you implying I code naughty bots??? :P |
| Jul 08 12:13:38 <AndrewSavory>EmTonkin: i wouldn't dream of implying that, but if you infer that .... guilty conscience? ;-) |
| Jul 08 12:13:59 <EmTonkin>moi? |
| Jul 08 12:14:04 *EmTonkin looks righteously outraged |
| Jul 08 12:14:09 <Randy>Prince2 needs full institutional support - it doesn't work in isolation |
| Jul 08 12:14:24 <EmTonkin>an effect I may add which is completely lost on the 0 people actually present in this meatspace. |
| Jul 08 12:14:36 <Randy>hard to implement in some institutions |
| Jul 08 12:14:41 <AndrewSavory>Prince2 is very very heavy, too ... i suspect slimmed-down version more suitable in most situations |
| Jul 08 12:14:53 <Jon>meatspace - I like that term |
| Jul 08 12:15:03 <EmTonkin>v. old IRC type term. |
| Jul 08 12:15:18 <patrickhlauke>next IWMW we need crawling text behind the speakers fed straight from the irc session |
| Jul 08 12:15:21 <Randy>Prince2 practitioner is necessary - agreed |
| Jul 08 12:15:26 <EmTonkin>I think Wired magazine probably threw it away as being insufficiently cool and went for a japanese expression instead. |
| Jul 08 12:16:13 <patrickhlauke>i threw away wired about 5 years ago....after the .com bubble burst it just became obsolete |
| Jul 08 12:16:16 <EmTonkin>patrickhlauke: Agreed. |
| Jul 08 12:16:27 <EmTonkin>patrickhlauke: also agree there |
| Jul 08 12:16:46 <EmTonkin>we still get wired for some reason, it's good if you want SUV adverts and so forth. |
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| Jul 08 12:17:04 <EmTonkin>and to learn where to order binary-display digital watches and so forth. |
| Jul 08 12:17:07 <patrickhlauke>the design is still nice in wired, but nothing more |
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| Jul 08 12:17:30 <patrickhlauke>i remember the good old days of articles on extropians and such...and the feel you got that it's all just around the corner |
| Jul 08 12:17:35 <EmTonkin>and I think the thrill of reading about other people who made too much money with dot coms wore off. |
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| Jul 08 12:17:58 <EmTonkin>yeah. It does seem to have retreated since then. |
| Jul 08 12:18:26 <patrickhlauke>incidentally, an entertaining book i read last week "down and out in the magic kingdom" by cory doctorow |
| Jul 08 12:18:32 <patrickhlauke>recaptures that old wired feel |
| Jul 08 12:19:13 <EmTonkin>I'll pick that one up then |
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| Jul 08 12:19:38 <patrickhlauke>derek's talk was indeed superb |
| Jul 08 12:19:44 <EmTonkin>I've got a bit disillusioned with print media surrounding the net at the moment... |
| Jul 08 12:20:02 <patrickhlauke>yeah well it's about 2-3 years behind the times |
| Jul 08 12:20:04 <EmTonkin>it seems to go between the Painfully Obvious, the Wannabe, and the Hopelessly Pretentious. |
| Jul 08 12:20:28 <patrickhlauke>the doctorw book is a scifi novel...but very entertaining concepts and not too far out lasers and stuff |
| Jul 08 12:20:32 *EmTonkin nods |
| Jul 08 12:20:37 <EmTonkin>I just looked at the page. |
| Jul 08 12:20:38 <AndrewSavory>patrickhlauke: cory doctorow v good, now read that tho |
| Jul 08 12:20:56 <EmTonkin>and I also have a memory of reading various other stuff of the same author... |
| Jul 08 12:21:20 <EmTonkin>good grief. Someone translated it into pig latin. |
| Jul 08 12:21:58 <EmTonkin>anyone won the whisky yet? |
| Jul 08 12:22:12 <AndrewSavory>nope .. brian summing up |
| Jul 08 12:22:30 <EmTonkin>aha. |
| Jul 08 12:22:35 <EmTonkin>and what does the sum equal? |
| Jul 08 12:22:44 <EmTonkin>pi? 42? e? |
| Jul 08 12:22:44 <patrickhlauke>don't say 42 |
| Jul 08 12:22:49 <EmTonkin>too late. |
| Jul 08 12:22:49 <AndrewSavory>i think that i missed the best talk? ;-) |
| Jul 08 12:22:50 <patrickhlauke>dammit |
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| Jul 08 12:23:14 <EmTonkin>hoopy :P |
| Jul 08 12:23:43 <patrickhlauke>i'll make a poster next year...sticky back plastic and crayons at the ready |
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| Jul 08 12:23:55 <EmTonkin>why? Are there major rewards? |
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| Jul 08 12:24:15 <patrickhlauke>seems like it |
| Jul 08 12:24:20 <patrickhlauke>not sure |
| Jul 08 12:24:37 <EmTonkin>I could kidnap marieke's toddlers and force them to produce something of dubious artistic merit. |
| Jul 08 12:25:09 <EmTonkin>more likely to succeed than doing it myself, anyway. |
| Jul 08 12:25:15 <AndrewSavory>where'd sebastian go? |
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| Jul 08 12:25:31 <patrickhlauke>to check out who zeldman is? :-p |
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| Jul 08 12:25:35 <MilesB>Last seen hitting beeping laptop with fire axe |
| Jul 08 12:25:36 <AndrewSavory>heh |
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| Jul 08 12:25:41 <AndrewSavory>rofl |
| Jul 08 12:25:42 <Randy>Sebastian is off sick |
| Jul 08 12:25:43 <EmTonkin>sebastian?... was ill, went home, I think |
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| Jul 08 12:26:03 <AndrewSavory>ill = hungover, or ill? ;-) |
| Jul 08 12:26:08 <Randy>ill |
| Jul 08 12:26:14 <EmTonkin>must've been that fish stuff with the suckers still attached. I did say. |
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| Jul 08 12:26:29 <MilesB>yuk |
| Jul 08 12:26:31 <EmTonkin>I said, never eat anything that still has that strong a grip. |
| Jul 08 12:26:37 <MilesB>roflo |
| Jul 08 12:26:38 <patrickhlauke>hmm. we went for african last night |
| Jul 08 12:26:45 <patrickhlauke>very exotic |
| Jul 08 12:26:57 <patrickhlauke>you jam the signal |
| Jul 08 12:27:01 <AndrewSavory>Brian in "thank you manchester" shocker |
| Jul 08 12:27:09 <MilesB>good - a jam reference |
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| Jul 08 12:28:10 <DavidCupit>of cousre the wireless was provided by it services at manchester not manchester computing. |
| Jul 08 12:28:38 *Jon wonders which combination of three meta-keys and various arrow-things on an ibook will give me a page-up |
| Jul 08 12:28:49 <DavidCupit>we have rebranded and our new website was up in 24 hrs thanks to the CMS |
| Jul 08 12:28:52 <AndrewSavory>fn-uparrow |
| Jul 08 12:29:03 <patrickhlauke>brian passing the baton to marieke officially now |
| Jul 08 12:29:17 <Jon>ah , and shift-fn-uparrow seems to pass it through to the program behind the terminal |
| Jul 08 12:29:38 <patrickhlauke>is he still going to stick around as a mascot? |
| Jul 08 12:29:46 <AndrewSavory>hope so |
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| Jul 08 12:30:16 <patrickhlauke>web-focus is now known as web-blur |
| Jul 08 12:30:19 <patrickhlauke>heh |
| Jul 08 12:30:50 <EmTonkin>oh good grief |
| Jul 08 12:31:48 <EmTonkin>hey, what team are you on? Web blur! |
| Jul 08 12:31:59 <patrickhlauke>my assistant...excellent |
| Jul 08 12:32:05 <Randy>Sebastian wants to know if his poster won the whisky because it was the only one. |
| Jul 08 12:32:19 <noname>There was one other |
| Jul 08 12:32:24 <patrickhlauke>leveraging the synergies of whiskey |
| Jul 08 12:32:28 <Jon>Randy: I did notice there was a laminated sign with my name on it next to a gap in the posters.. took that when Brian was not looking |
| Jul 08 12:33:33 <noname>What about thanking Brian? |
| Jul 08 12:33:39 <patrickhlauke>indeed |
| Jul 08 12:33:46 <patrickhlauke>standing ovations i'd say |
| Jul 08 12:33:48 <EmTonkin>someone thank Brian. |
| Jul 08 12:33:58 <EmTonkin>Come on. Mexican wave. |
| Jul 08 12:34:21 <noname>Bath again |
| Jul 08 12:34:30 <EmTonkin>Bath again what? |
| Jul 08 12:34:39 <noname>Been to bath |
| Jul 08 12:34:44 <EmTonkin>er... |
| Jul 08 12:34:46 <patrickhlauke>next venue |
| Jul 08 12:34:53 <EmTonkin>oh I see. |
| Jul 08 12:34:58 <patrickhlauke>marieke playing cheesy video presentation for it |
| Jul 08 12:35:01 <EmTonkin>as in Brian announced that next year it will again be in bath. |
| Jul 08 12:35:08 <EmTonkin>But we promise to slaughter catering services first. |
| Jul 08 12:35:20 <noname>Horrible music in the background! |
| Jul 08 12:35:44 <EmTonkin>marieke did not I think much enjoy producing the cheesy video presentation as I recall. |
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| Jul 08 12:36:02 <EmTonkin>but that might just be the sum total of listening to several weeks of exasperated 'oh well' type sounds. |
| Jul 08 12:36:14 <noname>Bye everyone |
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| Jul 08 12:36:15 <AndrewSavory>ciao everyone! |
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| Jul 08 12:36:26 <patrickhlauke>ta ta folks |
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| Jul 08 12:36:31 <EmTonkin>cheers guys |
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| Jul 08 12:36:38 <EmTonkin>au revoir :P |
| Jul 08 12:36:59 <Jon>right, bye bye |
| Jul 08 12:37:07 <EmTonkin>andrewsavory: I think I owe you for a bottle of mineral water? Or am I nuts? |
| Jul 08 12:37:16 <Jon>EmTonkin: we've got web-support on freenode if anyone wants to try to keep something going |
| Jul 08 12:37:21 <EmTonkin>yup |
| Jul 08 12:37:29 <EmTonkin>will get to that anon. |
| Jul 08 12:37:51 *Jon runs away |
| Jul 08 12:37:57 <EmTonkin>right. Phil says it's all over now so I have to stop typing. Cheers. |
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| Jul 08 12:38:04 <Jon>hehe - thanks |
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| Jul 08 21:30:32 <CGI992>hello |
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| Jul 09 12:05:35 <Jon>things still running I see |
| Jul 09 12:05:40 *Jon managed to find somewhere to stay in mancheste |
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| Jul 08 12:36:02 <EmTonkin>but that might just be the sum total of listening to several weeks of exasperated 'oh well' type sounds. |
| Jul 08 12:36:14 <noname>Bye everyone |
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| Jul 08 12:36:15 <AndrewSavory>ciao everyone! |
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| Jul 08 12:36:26 <patrickhlauke>ta ta folks |
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| Jul 08 12:36:31 <EmTonkin>cheers guys |
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| Jul 08 12:36:38 <EmTonkin>au revoir :P |
| Jul 08 12:36:59 <Jon>right, bye bye |
| Jul 08 12:37:07 <EmTonkin>andrewsavory: I think I owe you for a bottle of mineral water? Or am I nuts? |
| Jul 08 12:37:16 <Jon>EmTonkin: we've got web-support on freenode if anyone wants to try to keep something going |
| Jul 08 12:37:21 <EmTonkin>yup |
| Jul 08 12:37:29 <EmTonkin>will get to that anon. |
| Jul 08 12:37:51 *Jon runs away |
| Jul 08 12:37:57 <EmTonkin>right. Phil says it's all over now so I have to stop typing. Cheers. |
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| Jul 08 12:38:04 <Jon>hehe - thanks |
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| Jul 08 12:44:57 <Greg_Tourte>Jon, I joined #web-support on freenode |
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| Jul 08 21:30:32 <CGI992>hello |
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| Jul 09 12:05:35 <Jon>things still running I see |
| Jul 09 12:05:40 *Jon managed to find somewhere to stay in mancheste |
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| Jul 08 12:36:26 <patrickhlauke>ta ta folks |
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| Jul 08 12:36:31 <EmTonkin>cheers guys |
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| Jul 08 12:36:38 <EmTonkin>au revoir :P |
| Jul 08 12:36:59 <Jon>right, bye bye |
| Jul 08 12:37:07 <EmTonkin>andrewsavory: I think I owe you for a bottle of mineral water? Or am I nuts? |
| Jul 08 12:37:16 <Jon>EmTonkin: we've got web-support on freenode if anyone wants to try to keep something going |
| Jul 08 12:37:21 <EmTonkin>yup |
| Jul 08 12:37:29 <EmTonkin>will get to that anon. |
| Jul 08 12:37:51 *Jon runs away |
| Jul 08 12:37:57 <EmTonkin>right. Phil says it's all over now so I have to stop typing. Cheers. |
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| Jul 08 12:38:04 <Jon>hehe - thanks |
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| Jul 08 12:44:57 <Greg_Tourte>Jon, I joined #web-support on freenode |
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| Jul 08 21:30:32 <CGI992>hello |
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